Ozzie's at it again.....

falsecut · #1 (**permalink**) Thu May 27, 2010, 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08

First one must have been some type of start and stop. 2nd one was pretty obvious from West's angle. Those announcers are morons. "Look at West trying to get himself into the game." West put up the stop sign, Ozzie didn't stop. What is he supposed to do?

I'm not much of a Joe West fan either, and I didn't see much on the first balk, a better case can be made for the second. But West didn't help himself in my eyes when he went over and collected the trash that Ozzie dumped out of his pockets right in front of the Sox bench. That's just stupid and instigating. You lose any chance of defusing the situation doing that.

And yes, Harrelson especially is a moron and wouldn't know a rule if it rose up and bit him. I can't wait until he retires and I can watch a game in peace. Three years ago, his ignorance was on display on an obstruction call. And of course even after it became clear what the real ruling was, he never said oops, I goofed. It was discussed on this forum in 2007.

Hawk Harrelson - Worst announcer EVER!

johnnyg08 · #2 (**permalink**) Thu May 27, 2010, 08:05pm

It was white garbage and you're certainly not going to send PU over there. I wouldn't have done it either...but I'm not an MLB umpire nor will I ever be one.

falsecut · #3 (**permalink**) Thu May 27, 2010, 08:10pm

No, I don't send the PU either but the bat boy, ball girl, or a security guard can take care of it without me doing it. And my guess is it was his line up card because it looked like a 3x6 sheet of paper. Regardless, I'm not headed over there to clean it up right in front of the dug out. Don't go looking for trouble.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Thu May 27, 2010, 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by falsecut

No, I don't send the PU either but the bat boy, ball girl, or a security guard can take care of it without me doing it. And my guess is it was his line up card because it looked like a 3x6 sheet of paper. Regardless, I'm not headed over there to clean it up right in front of the dug out. Don't go looking for trouble.

In the Majors with all those folks around, I would not have picked it up at all. I would not do that in a amateur game either. At least that is how I would have handled it.

Peace

SanDiegoSteve · #5 (**permalink**) Fri May 28, 2010, 01:02am

It seems as the only people defending Joe West in this are other umpires. I have not heard one non-umpire who has not taken Joe to task on his handling of the situation. Not just the announcers, writers and fans, but all non-umpires.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Fri May 28, 2010, 01:27am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It seems as the only people defending Joe West in this are other umpires. I have not heard one non-umpire who has not taken Joe to task on his handling of the situation. Not just the announcers, writers and fans, but all non-umpires.

And this surprises you? This is very typical of all situations involving officials. Just look at the NBA situation the other night. Officials never get a pass on what they do even when they are completely justified. If they enforce a clear rule, these people will say "he does this all the time....blah...blah...blah." And it is mainly because announcers, writers and fans have in most cases have never had the courage to do this activity themselves. That is why so many get into officiating from other aspects of life and find out, "This was a lot harder than I thought."

Peace

Steven Tyler · #7 (**permalink**) Fri May 28, 2010, 06:33am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It seems as the only people defending Joe West in this are other umpires. I have not heard one non-umpire who has not taken Joe to task on his handling of the situation. Not just the announcers, writers and fans, but all non-umpires.

You forgot to mention all the people that have bought his country albums.

Jurassic Referee · #8 (**permalink**) Fri May 28, 2010, 07:06am

Looks like the boyz at Head Office ain't happy with Country Joe.....

MLB plans showdown with umpire Joe West - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

More work for his PR people.....

MD Longhorn · #9 (**permalink**) Fri May 28, 2010, 09:30am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It seems as the only people defending Joe West in this are other umpires. I have not heard one non-umpire who has not taken Joe to task on his handling of the situation. Not just the announcers, writers and fans, but all non-umpires.

A) That's because only real umpires understand that both balks were balks ... and NONE of us would take a player throwing a glove down over one of our calls. B) It's also because the announcers have a pulpit, the umpires don't. The announcer went nuts over this - so everyone who heard him ... and everyone who heard those that heard him, and so on, think it was bad. Had the announcer said, "Yup, that's a balk", there would be no S-Storm over this.

BK47 · #10 (**permalink**) Fri May 28, 2010, 06:08am

does anyone have actual footage of these balk calls? I would like to see raw footage to determine for myself before I make comments either way.