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Justaguy Sat May 15, 2010 01:49pm

2 strike 2 outs
 
With a runner on first 2 strikes and 2 outs the batter checks his swing. R1 is running and thrown out. Do you allow the deffenese to ask for help on the check swing?

jkumpire Sat May 15, 2010 02:30pm

The Long Answer
 
Yes.

mbyron Sat May 15, 2010 06:30pm

Yes. This could allow the defense an advantageous fourth out by preventing the batter from coming up the next inning.

ozzy6900 Sat May 15, 2010 08:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justaguy (Post 676992)
With a runner on first 2 strikes and 2 outs the batter checks his swing. R1 is running and thrown out. Do you allow the deffenese to ask for help on the check swing?

Why wouldn't you?

Stu Clary Sat May 15, 2010 11:18pm

A better question is why would they? The inning is over, unless i'm missing something.

BK47 Sun May 16, 2010 07:15am

I agree with everyone here, its great stratagy on the defense to get the batter out and keep him from coming up first the next inning.

mbyron Sun May 16, 2010 08:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Clary (Post 677039)
A better question is why would they? The inning is over, unless i'm missing something.

You're missing something. See post #3: http://forum.officiating.com/basebal...tml#post677009

Rich Ives Sun May 16, 2010 09:40am

From a coaching perspective - Who is the batter? Maybe he's a "sure" out and I'd be happy to see him leading off the next inning.

mbyron Sun May 16, 2010 10:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 677063)
From a coaching perspective - Who is the batter? Maybe he's a "sure" out and I'd be happy to see him leading off the next inning.

That's not a reason to ask, it's a reason not to ask. :p

Rich Ives Sun May 16, 2010 10:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 677069)
That's not a reason to ask, it's a reason not to ask. :p

Exactly!

But then the question was why wouldn't one ask.

mbyron Sun May 16, 2010 12:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 677070)
Exactly!

But then the question was why wouldn't one ask.

I was responding to Stu Clary's question, and that was not it.

We clearly agree that the defense might or might not have a reason to ask!

SAump Sun May 16, 2010 06:27pm

Do not allow the appeal
 
The defense made a play. The defense will not have a choice.

Stu Clary Sun May 16, 2010 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 677049)
You're missing something. See post #3: http://forum.officiating.com/basebal...tml#post677009

Ah-ha! Thank you.

asdf Sun May 16, 2010 08:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 677110)
The defense made a play. The defense will not have a choice.

Not according to FED interpretations..........

SITUATION 20: Two outs, R3 at second base. On a 1-2 pitch, R3 attempts to steal third base as the batter attempts to check his swing. R3 is thrown out at third base for the third out. The defense now wants to appeal the check-swing on B4 so that if he went around, he struck out and would not come back to bat in the next half-inning. U1 checks with the base umpire and U2 confirms that B4 did indeed swing at strike three. RULING: Since B4’s out is a “fourth” out, the defense may select the out which is most to its advantage. B4 is out for out No. 3 and the batter following him in the lineup will bat first in the next half-inning.

DG Sun May 16, 2010 08:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdf (Post 677118)
Not according to FED interpretations..........

SITUATION 20: Two outs, R3 at second base. On a 1-2 pitch, R3 attempts to steal third base as the batter attempts to check his swing. R3 is thrown out at third base for the third out. The defense now wants to appeal the check-swing on B4 so that if he went around, he struck out and would not come back to bat in the next half-inning. U1 checks with the base umpire and U2 confirms that B4 did indeed swing at strike three. RULING: Since B4’s out is a “fourth” out, the defense may select the out which is most to its advantage. B4 is out for out No. 3 and the batter following him in the lineup will bat first in the next half-inning.

Actually on the check swing appeal the batter is the 3rd out and the throw unnecessary. But I would expect any good catcher to make the throw because he does not know what the result of the appeal will be.


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