And the seasons they go 'round and 'round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return we can only look behind
From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

Okay, then you're either high, or a bald-faced liar.

Yes, I have to be lying because I honestly do not remember having a major conversation with you on this board. And if you are only a baseball umpire that comes to this board, then that is totally understandable from my point of view. I certainly do not go to other boards and talk baseball on a regular basis and I hardly come here. Look at the last time I posted on this site before this conversation. Maybe your ego cannot handle that you are not important (neither is this conversation) to me to the level you thought.

Just like this conversation, you take these things too seriously. ;)

Peace

You shamelessly defended Barry Bonds's steroid use, parroting the popular but mistaken notion that it was not against MLB rules to do so at the time that he was raping the record book. I refuted it by citing the same Commissioner's memo that I cited in this debate.

Then you discredited Babe Ruth's accomplishments, parroting the popular but mistaken notion that if he had played against the best Negro League pitchers of the '20s and early-'30s, that his totals would have been dramatically downscaled. Of course, I argued that of all the Negro League pitchers that were pitching at that time, the lion's share would have been minor league caliber, that only a handful would have been major league caliber, and that of those, perhaps a few would have been All-Star caliber. And if those few high-caliber pitchers were distributed among all the 16 teams in both leagues, that Ruth would have had a very small percentage of his at bats against those pitchers.

Of course, that was one of the debates that you dropped out of quickly, after being refuted so soundly. I guess you only remember the Circle Game debates.

We get it.

You two either have or have not or don't remember "talking" to each other.

You do or you do not care about what the other says.

You do or do not agree on the issue.

Now stop it, both of you, please.

Good grief, it's just a little baseball debate.

Why is it such a big deal?

With all due respect, not sure what I need to stop. As far as I am concerned this conversation was over when Kevin wanted to get personal.

The facts still remain. McGwire is still eligible for the Hall of Fame and nothing anyone here is going to change that (as well as Bonds, Sosa, A-Rod and anyone else that will be on the ballet when their time is up to be voted on). And I bet some of those will still get in. McGwire was always on the fence and he will probably eventually get in once all the guys that claim they saw Babe Ruth die off.

Peace

More Jello.