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[QUOTE=Ump153;650891]Okay, Mr, Rutledge, I get the hint. You won't answer my question. So, I'll have to make do with what you've already said to demonstrate your level of understanding.
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Mac did not get punished or violate any drug policy in his entire career. And he certainly did not get punished in 1998 when he said he took them during his record setting year. Quote:
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Being from Chicago I remember Jim Miller who was a QB in the early 2000s was suspended for taking an over the counter medication and it was found in a drug test. He was suspended and put on the drug program in the NFL. This was not a steroid, but something found in common over the counter legal drug that anyone can buy he was suspended for. And when he tried to say he did not know this was banned, he was not given a pass by anyone. MLB had no such policy and allowed their players to take anything. Oh, I forgot, they banned steroids but they did not test for them. Riiiiggghhhtttt!!!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...olleyes010.gif Quote:
I realize reading and understanding are hard for some people, but you have not answered any of these questions. ;) Peace |
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Who really gives a crap anyway? Does it affect you or your paycheck? All this mess does is bring baseball down yet another notch. Baseball banned the Chicago boys but kept a beer toting philanderer like the Babe. They threw out Rose because he put a black eye on the Game yet they turned the other way with "juice". Face it, Baseball just does as it pleases to keep face and all the pi$$ing and moaning from the fans won't do jack crap to fix it. Personally, I could care less who is in the Hall of Flame because it does nothing for me or my life. My input as to who gets into the Hall means nothing so I don't bother to argue. Baseball is like the Government. Don't do this today but tomorrow you can do it all you want - as long as we are not looking.
Get a life, people! You are just umpires and fans of the Game. try to remember your place! |
"Beer toting philanderer"?? You're talking about Babe Ruth!
You are being astoundingly shallow in your judgment of the man who is the single greatest contributor the game has ever known. He was also the most famous and popular man in American life in the first half of the 20th century. And you're going to take it all away by highlighting his beer drinking and philandering? And you are the judge? You interpret the rules by which all should live? I suppose if we all just sit back and only listen, you can tell us all how to lead a perfect life like yours. Try to remember your place. |
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It wasn't until MLB got Embarrased on Nat'l TV during the Congrsssional hearings that BUD did anything. Also, there STILL is no test for HGH. IMO, Mac is SELFISH as evidenced by his admitting Steroid use AT THIS TIME. Why! 1. I think Bob Costas NAILED it when he talked about the statute of limitations being up. I think it was 5 years. 2. Most of America especially those in NY where the Jets advanced to the next round are in NFL mode and therefore, Mac wouldn't be a major headline for too long. Today most of the talk shows and nation are back to football. 3. He wanted to get this "out of the way" before Spring Training so he doesn't have a big media circus. Also, what a joke of answer when Mac said that steroids had no bearing on his hitting 70Hr.s He used the "stuff" strictly as a healing agent and that GOD gave him this great gift. He talked about LL , legion and HS ball. What a joke of an answer. Hey Mac hate to break it to you but Micky Mantel (prior to his injury and bout with alcohol) had as much GOD given talent as any athlete and instead of using booze if Mick used the juice he most likely would have hit at least 800 HR's. What about Frank Robinson, Willie Mays and Hank. You think you had more GOD given talent then those folks. But that is America. people "bought into" ARODS Story and they most likely will by into Mac's story as well. I too do not give a hoot about the Hall, HOWEVER, if MLB is going to vote these cheaters in then IMO they need to Re-think about Rose and Shoeless Joe who as I mentioned previously in actuality never took the money. Pete Booth |
Rose gambled freely as a player and a manager for years and went to prison for tax evasion. Jackson was a small part of one fixing scheme.
You can't compare Rose's and Jackson's cases. Rose's risk to the game was significantly worse. |
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Cheating is Cheating. It's just a matter of which type of Cheating you condone. Also, how was Rose's risk to the game significanlty worse then those that cheated using the "Juice". Paul Horning bet on football and was suspended for a year BUT that did not stop him from being elected into the PRO football Hall of fame. If the Hall is about CHARACTER then at least 75% of the players already inducted should not be in there. Also, IMO Shoeless Joe did not "throw" the game and NEVER did take the money. He was an innocent bystander who got caught up in the mess. Pete Booth |
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Fortunately he is unique. If you will note, not one of over a hundred posters at this site agrees with him, which gives us hope for this site. My advice is to give up. You can present facts, you can demonstrate reality, you can discuss possibilities. You can't make someone think. |
Ah, but there is one more part of the story
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You are right: Shoeless Joe was acquitted in a trial over the illegalities of the Blacksox scandal, and therefore he should be eligible for the Hall of Fame. Pete Rose is a different case, as you state, and should never, ever be considered, which is a great tragedy. |
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And if you can't discern the difference between an individual trying to enhance his performance, and a MANAGER trying to illegally capitalize on his team's performance by gambling on their games, I don't know how to help you. Rose violated baseball's sacred code as a player AND as a manager for a dozen years. And he went to jail for tax evasion! And everyone around him went to prison for an array of felonies, including cocaine trafficking! Rose's campaign, by its mere duration, was a series of violations of a drastically higher degree than Jackson's, or any other gambler or certainly any juicer or bat corker. If you want to lump all kinds of cheaters together and brand them all, you go right ahead. I have a broad and thoughtful approach, and I can't be confined to such a simple outlook. |
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Here goes: You can't liken Jackson's violation to Rose's. And I thank you for making me scratch my head and change that. |
Rose is a low-life and he broke laws (federal and baseball), but he never bet against his own team and he tried to win every game 100-0. That doesn't mean anything to the HOF suits, but it does to me.
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When you only bet on your team, it is a signal to gambling insiders that there is a reason to bet against the Reds that day.
One day, Pete left his post in the Reds dugout to watch the Belmont---right in the middle of a game, and during the '89 investigation that led to his banishment! The Reds, and winning baseball games was a sidelight to Rose's nefarious existence. |
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