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Adam Mon Nov 09, 2009 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by justanotherblue (Post 635221)
Squeeze play in LL? Really? I don't do LL however, I'm under the impression that in LL, the runner can not leave the base until the ball is passed the batter. Therefore, how can you have a squeeze play?

Can't do a suicide squeeze, but you could still run a squeeze play.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Nov 09, 2009 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by justanotherblue
Squeeze play in LL? Really? I don't do LL however, I'm under the impression that in LL, the runner can not leave the base until the ball is passed the batter. Therefore, how can you have a squeeze play?

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 635303)
Can't do a suicide squeeze, but you could still run a squeeze play.

Yes, it's called a "safety squeeze."

Rich Ives Mon Nov 09, 2009 06:16pm

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Originally Posted by justanotherblue (Post 635221)
Squeeze play in LL? Really? I don't do LL however, I'm under the impression that in LL, the runner can not leave the base until the ball is passed the batter. Therefore, how can you have a squeeze play?

The LL book says 7.07 only applies to the Junior, Senior, and Big Leagues.

aceholleran Tue Nov 24, 2009 04:19am

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 635283)
Some prime examples:
Based loaded, infield hit or bunt, any runner leaves early, R3 put in dugout, no out or run?
Special pinch runner

Correct. It's the "evaporation" rule. I have never seen it. Some friends of mine have.

LL asks that on such a play, umps must adjudicate what is the "clean hit" by B1. If the rock doesn't leave the infield and no outs are recorded, R3 "vanishes."

MrUmpire Tue Nov 24, 2009 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 637895)
Correct. It's the "evaporation" rule. I have never seen it. Some friends of mine have.

LL asks that on such a play, umps must adjudicate what is the "clean hit" by B1. If the rock doesn't leave the infield and no outs are recorded, R3 "vanishes."

LL umpires around here call it the "poof" rule, as it "poof....he disappeared."

bsaucer Mon Dec 28, 2009 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by victory (Post 634986)
Hello,
I'm looking at LL RB 7.07 in which during a squeeze attempt and the catcher moves in front of or on the plate or contacts the batter or bat. The umpire is supposed to rule a balk on the pitcher and award first to the batter on the interference. Why not just call interference and give home and first due to that? Why the balk call - is that simply to justify the award of home?

What started out as a pitching motion ended up as a throw to the plate... Balk! They'll call a balk if the catcher leaves the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.

Ump153 Mon Dec 28, 2009 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 646478)
What started out as a pitching motion ended up as a throw to the plate... Balk! They'll call a balk if the catcher leaves the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.

As long as the pitcher continued to a make legal pitching delivery, it is still a pitch and not a throw.

A pitcher may disengage and throw to home.

Rich Ives Mon Dec 28, 2009 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 646478)
What started out as a pitching motion ended up as a throw to the plate... Balk! They'll call a balk if the catcher leaves the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.

What started out as a pitching motion ended up as a throw to the plate... Balk!

Nope. It's still a pitch.

They'll call a balk if the catcher leaves the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand

The interpretation in use is that the catcher cannot move from the box until the time of the pitch - which is when the motion commits the pitcher to pitch.

dash_riprock Mon Dec 28, 2009 06:05pm

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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 646478)
They'll call a balk if the catcher leaves the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.

That's the rule (on an IBB), but I've never seen it called and I hope I never do.

DG Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:43pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 635313)
Yes, it's called a "safety squeeze."

I'm just wondering how a catcher would know a safety squeeze is on if R3 does not leave the base until the ball reaches the plate (Normal LL), or, why he would see a need to step in front of the plate.

I called a walk off balk in Fall ball, with R2 and R3 and 1 out, when the catcher stepped out of the box by at least 6 feet, before the pitcher even started his motion, but he started as soon as catcher was in place out of the box. At every plate meeting the coaches talked about balks (I did not bring it up), they wanted us to call balks so the kids can learn during Fall ball, no warnings.

Forest Ump Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 646549)
I called a walk off balk in Fall ball, with R2 and R3 and 1 out, when the catcher stepped out of the box by at least 6 feet, before the pitcher even started his motion, but he started as soon as catcher was in place out of the box.

DG....no balk here. It can only be called if it's an IBB. Without the IBB, I would not let the pitcher pitch until the catcher set up correctly. I have never had this happen, but this is how I would handle it.

Rich Ives Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:43pm

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Originally Posted by Forest Ump (Post 646622)
DG....no balk here. It can only be called if it's an IBB. Without the IBB, I would not let the pitcher pitch until the catcher set up correctly. I have never had this happen, but this is how I would handle it.

Given the game situation I'd bet a lot that it was an IBB.

Forest Ump Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 646623)
Given the game situation I'd bet a lot that it was an IBB.

Opps....After reading it again, I wouldn't take that bet. :o

Ump153 Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 646549)

I called a walk off balk in Fall ball, with R2 and R3 and 1 out, when the catcher stepped out of the box by at least 6 feet, before the pitcher even started his motion, but he started as soon as catcher was in place out of the box. At every plate meeting the coaches talked about balks (I did not bring it up), they wanted us to call balks so the kids can learn during Fall ball, no warnings.

When coaches say that, usually they are looking for reinforcement of what they've been warning their pitchers about. I doubt "the lesson" you taught them was on their radar.

DG Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 646646)
When coaches say that, usually they are looking for reinforcement of what they've been warning their pitchers about. I doubt "the lesson" you taught them was on their radar.

I am pretty sure that one was not on their radar. I overhead the manager telling the league commissioner after the game that a game should not end that way, and I agree, properly instructed catcher will not do that, and if a pitcher saw him step out he should have stepped off and called for a meeting instead of starting his motion. I doubt there was any player or coach in the league who did not hear about it, so I don't expect it will happen in the Spring.


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