Treatment of female umpire in Minor Leagues

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Durham

Well ... Sleeping with the girl at the hotel front desk is a conflict of interest, sleeping with the promo girl is a conflict, sleeping with the GM's wife or daughter is a conflict, but those things happen and you don't hear about em, so they are a CoI to you are they?

Just saying, only a CoI if it affects an umpire's work, and most that I know only want one thing, to get **** right.

It is a CoI if it is reasonable to predict that it will affect the umpire's work. A close personal relationship with a person over whom you are expected to carry out unbiased authority is always a CoI, whether in umpiring, the military, business, or government. Conflict of Interest does not require actual bias for it to be present. All it requires is that the person who is supposed to be unbiased has a conflict presented by his two interests (friendship v umpiring, for example).

I'm only speaking in the abstract here, not in the specific wrt the female umpire. She may very well have been submarined by false accusations, I don't know. But the CoI by an umpire having an intimate relationship with a player has nothing to do with whether the intimate relationship is immoral, or even whether it is known. It it exists, it is a CoI.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Is it a conflict if a professional umpire goes out to the bars and celebrates a win with the players?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Dakota

If that's a conflict, how is it not a conflict if the professional umpire does the same thing in bed? Don't ask, don't tell does not remove the conflict.

It does to a partial extent. The rest is up to the particular umpire to perform on the field in a way that rises above the possible conflict.

It's the same as any kind of cheating: If it's not disclosed, it isn't happening.

And again, if our attitudes about sex were not so backward, there would be fewer conflicts.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

It doesn't give the appearance of anything if it isn't brought up, and it wouldn't be brought up if our society had its priorities in order and had a more realistic interpretation of true freedom and a contemporary outlook on human sexuality. It's only anyone's business if it comes out and there's a conflict. And if no one knows, there's no conflict. And no one should know, or even ask.

To me, it's not the sex that's the issue. The issue is the appearance of favoritism, and it stems from fraternization, not sex.

For example, if a judge was caught dating or spending more time with a lawyer, questions will come out on whether he favored that lawyer in court proceedings. Whether they were in bed together doesn't matter much at all.

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

We're laughingstocks all around the modern world. Cases like Clinton's, Letterman's and even Mark Sanford's make us look like fools when it causes a national uproar.

Sanford's case was more about lying and not doing his job.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by yawetag

To me, it's not the sex that's the issue. The issue is the appearance of favoritism, and it stems from fraternization, not sex.

For example, if a judge was caught dating or spending more time with a lawyer, questions will come out on whether he favored that lawyer in court proceedings. Whether they were in bed together doesn't matter much at all.

I also stated very plainly that her being caught doing it should result in her being dismissed. And I make that statement because a personal relationship between a player and an umpire shows impropriety. I even compared it to a judge having a relationship with a prosecutor.

Originally Posted by yawetag

Sanford's case was more about lying and not doing his job.

Sanford's case caused a dual uproar, and his abandoning his post for five days was one of them. I was referring to the business of his having a mistress and all of the lunacy and hypocrisy that it caused. It may not have been more important than his leaving his post, but it certainly was one of the prominent aspects, and the reaction to it was laughable.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I also stated very plainly that her being caught doing it should result in her being dismissed. And I make that statement because a personal relationship between a player and an umpire shows impropriety. I even compared it to a judge having a relationship with a prosecutor.
Sanford's case caused a dual uproar, and his abandoning his post for five days was one of them. I was referring to the business of his having a mistress and all of the lunacy and hypocrisy that it caused. It may not have been more important than his leaving his post, but it certainly was one of the prominent aspects, and the reaction to it was laughable.

I want to know should the player also get in trouble for sleeping with the umpire? If she should get fired, what should happen to the player..

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

I want to know should the player also get in trouble for sleeping with the umpire? If she should get fired, what should happen to the player..

I think the player should be forced to sleep with Mark Sanford, Bill Clinton and David Letterman.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Sanford's case caused a dual uproar, and his abandoning his post for five days was one of them. I was referring to the business of his having a mistress and all of the lunacy and hypocrisy that it caused. It may not have been more important than his leaving his post, but it certainly was one of the prominent aspects, and the reaction to it was laughable.

His wife didn't think it was funny.

[Kevin Finnerty]

I meant its being blown up bigger than any other aspect and made a colossal spectacle was what was laughable. It's the personal lives of human beings that are being toyed with, including children's.