how is Mike Lowell still in this game?

[jwwashburn]

I have never seen a batter chew out an umpire about a called third strike this vociferously and not get dumped. He must have gone on more than 30 seconds with a "false ending"...took a couple of steps and came back yelling. How is he playing third base now? This was just weird.

Jeff Kellogg is the PU...I know he has been around a long while. I am amazed there was no ejection. Anybody have an idea? Is this Kellogg's common practice?

[Kevin Finnerty]

I too was astonished.

Kellogg reached down and off the plate for the strike, so maybe he sat on his thumb for that reason. It was quite a dose Lowell gave him.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I too was astonished.

Kellogg reached down and off the plate for the strike, so maybe he sat on his thumb for that reason. It was quite a dose Lowell gave him.

You are assuming that you can tell it was out of the zone on the tv camera...of course, you cannot.

Even if it was the worst call of his career, how could he put up with that kind of crapola?

[johnnyg08]

do we have a video clip of the incident yet?

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

do we have a video clip of the incident yet?

Nope, because Kellogg did not dump him.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Well, you could tell it was outside, and it sure looked low, too.

I know what you're saying, but that was a reach.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Well, you could guess that it might have been outside, and it sure looked low, too.

I know what you're saying, but that might have been a reach...of course the camera angle on tv is not a very good one.

I edited that for you.

[GerryB]

Lowell's AB, from the Pitch f/x data, thanks to BrooksBaseball.net. Looks OK to me (#5 called strike three)

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I edited that for you.

I just watched it two more times from both angles, including the ground level view, from which you could judge the height of the pitch, and it was about halfway down Lowell's shin, and off the plate.

The argument lasted 15 seconds almost exactly.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by GerryB

Lowell's AB, from the Pitch f/x data, thanks to BrooksBaseball.net. Looks OK to me (#5 called strike three)

Sorry, wrong at-bat. Or their system is bunk, because the pitch was low and away, not on the inside corner.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Sorry, wrong at-bat. Or their system is bunk, because the pitch was low and away, not on the inside corner.

Depends on whether the view presented is from the front or rear of the plate.

I saw a TV game a few years back when, with the plate area mic'd, the catcher was called out on strike three. He stood there and said "That pitch was outside. If you're going to call it a strike then I want it for my guys too." He stayed in the game.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Depends on whether the view presented is from the front or rear of the plate.

I saw a TV game a few years back when, with the plate area mic'd, the catcher was called out on strike three. He stood there and said "That pitch was outside. If you're going to call it a strike then I want it for my guys too." He stayed in the game.

Pretty sure that view is from the catcher's and umpire's perspective, not from the pitcher's.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Sorry, wrong at-bat. Or their system is bunk, because the pitch was low and away, not on the inside corner.

Nope. It's the right at bat. The point of reference is from behind the plate.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GerryB

Lowell's AB, from the Pitch f/x data, thanks to BrooksBaseball.net. Looks OK to me (#5 called strike three)

Not everyone's knees are 18" from the ground. the hollow of my knee is 19" from the ground. This technology is flawed.

[ozzy6900]

Sigh!!!!!

I've said it before and I will say it again (for our visitor's sake). Only 2 people on the field can call a pitch for what it truly is - the Catcher and The Plate Umpire.

Nothing else, be it human, camera or machine can call a pitch - period!

Argue amongst yourselves with your moronic proof machines but until they put the camera and the machine in the place of the Catcher and the umpire, there is nothing on this Earth that can call a pitch!