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RKBUmp Sat Aug 15, 2009 05:00pm
Just watched the I think it was the Delaware, NH game. Im not up on all the baseball rules, but is not the rule in baseball the same as in softball, that if the batter/runner backs up toward home it is an immediate dead ball, out, all runners return to last base touched? If it is the same, call was blown in this game.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Aug 15, 2009 05:06pm
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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 620639)
Just watched the I think it was the Delaware, NH game. Im not up on all the baseball rules, but is not the rule in baseball the same as in softball, that if the batter/runner backs up toward home it is an immediate dead ball, out, all runners return to last base touched? If it is the same, call was blown in this game.
No, the batter-runner can retreat back as far as home plate. When he reaches home plate, he is called out and the ball is still alive. And the runners can advance. Retreating is a great strategy to make sure the other runners advance.

BigTex Sat Aug 15, 2009 05:06pm
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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 620639)
Just watched the I think it was the Delaware, NH game. Im not up on all the baseball rules, but is not the rule in baseball the same as in softball, that if the batter/runner backs up toward home it is an immediate dead ball, out, all runners return to last base touched? If it is the same, call was blown in this game.
I do not know about softball, but if the BR retreats all the way back to the plate and touches it or passes it, then he is out. The ball is live and all other runners advance at their own risk.

.......apparently SDS types faster than me.

RKBUmp Sat Aug 15, 2009 05:13pm
Ok, gotcha, in softball its an immediate dead ball if batter retreats. Saw it happen and had to wonder because with 6 umps on the field they all would have had to miss it.

SethPDX Sat Aug 15, 2009 05:15pm
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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 620645)
Ok, gotcha, in softball its an immediate dead ball if batter retreats. Saw it happen and had to wonder because with 6 umps on the field they all would have had to miss it.
But with 6 indicators on the field you bet the count will be right. :p

ozzy6900 Sat Aug 15, 2009 06:07pm
Light blue shirts, gray pants and 2 gray ball bags (Vermont vs RI). Looks terrible.

Kevin Finnerty Sat Aug 15, 2009 06:29pm
I thought gray ball bags always looked terrible.

Ump153 Sat Aug 15, 2009 07:02pm
The umps working Indiana/Kentucky are brutal.

It sure seems the quality of LL regional umpires has dropped from four - five years ago.

KJUmp Sat Aug 15, 2009 07:06pm
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Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 620574)
You are correct about the training.

Regional (and sometimes WS) umps are never "seen" before they get the assignments.

The"main" WS (12 y-o baseball) has been getting better, IMHO, because it's mandated that umps have to work a WS at another level before they go to W-port. At least these people get vetted somehow.

I was in Bristol yesterday and saw some sharp umps and more than my share of Smitties.

Ace
Ace...are you sure on that. I've been away from LLBB for four years now, and when I wa slast involved in the whole process of applying for LL regional/WS assignments the criteria for any LLWS assignment was you had to work a regional (plus have attended one of the LL umpire schools). This applied for for Wmsprt. also.
Please let me know if the criteria has changed. I'm just curious. I did my regional (Bristol) enjoyed the heck out of it....but my LL days, for now anyway, are behind me.

KJUmp Sat Aug 15, 2009 07:09pm
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 620511)
I watched some of the regional between the two Texas teams last night. I chuckled at the base umpires all with indicators. Also, six umpires is way too many for that size of a field. Four is more than enough. I suppose they don't want any of them to rotate, so six limits that.

The PU giving the foul tip mechanic on a foul ball was odd too. Also, he was still moving down and locking in a LOT when the pitch was almost in the catcher's glove.
The LL regional umpiring staff assigns six so ALL the umps who worked the regional can get on ESPN.
I know it's overkill..but it's a nice perk for your week's work and takes the regional staff off the hook from having to tell two guys that they're not going to be on TV.

umpjim Sat Aug 15, 2009 08:22pm
Actually, from the box score at Waco, it looks like they assigned all eight. Two outfield umps got three innings and then two others got the last three.

briancurtin Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:11pm
Does Little League post their ejection videos online? I'm surprised we haven't seen our daily overdose of ejection videos from the Road To Williamsport tournament.

yawetag Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 620666)
Actually, from the box score at Waco, it looks like they assigned all eight. Two outfield umps got three innings and then two others got the last three.
Does this look similar to musical chairs?

Why not rotate everyone between innings? The two not on the field can suit up for the plate.

Hock9 Sun Aug 16, 2009 02:15pm
they do, at least for the most part, seem to be on the meal plan...

aceholleran Sun Aug 16, 2009 02:30pm
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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 620578)
That's not true out West here. The guy who has the dish for this evenings NW game is a guy who I've worked with for years. He's been seen by the WR guys for a very long time now. When we'd go out to do sectional and division games the WR guys would be there taking notes. Plus, he's been an instructor at San Bernadino. They know some of these guys quite well. Plus, I can almost assure you that all these guys have been through the one week school, so they'll get a lookover there too.

Kyle
I thought he did a sharp job, too. All regions should do it this way.

Ace


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