Gammons: Go back to the NY-Penn League

[Rich]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Did anyone else hear Peter Gammons spout off and say that the umpire who dumped Terry Francona should go back to the NY-Penn League. Apparently Gammons was peaved that the umpire gave a shoulder shake after he dumped him.

Gammons is a moron. And the call was right (and a tough one to make, too).

[jwwashburn]

I just watched the melee.

The crew cheif(Crawford) was at 1B and the 4 umpires huddled around leyland for what seemed like an eternity. Crawford ended it with "That's what I'm gonna have to do." and it looked like he was the one deciding to dump the Tigers pitcher.

Has anyone else ever seen a pitcher dumped like this not by the PU? Maybe I have missed it over the years but, usually, the PU dumps him right away, right?

[jdmara]

I found it a bit odd that before Francona got dumbed by the U2, Crawford was already there interjecting. While watching the events it looked like Crawford didn't think the U2 could handle it by himself (Please note I don't know anything about U2, I'm not really up-to-date in my umpire trivia (aka jock sniffing) )

-Josh

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Gammons is a moron. And the call was right (and a tough one to make, too).

I agree with the first sentence. He is a moron, no question. And a hack, and a joke.

I disagree with the second one. The first time I saw the play in full speed (on the video, as I didn't see it live) he clearly looked safe. The foot got in before the swipe tag was applied. I then looked at the replay at least 20 more times, stopping and starting the video to see if anything had changed, and it had not. It looks as if the foot hits the base, then the glove hit the runners leg, in that order. Still a tough call either way, but I have him safe. Maybe the quality of the video isn't good enough to tell conclusively.

Francona did deserve to be ejected, as he clearly said something nasty to the umpire.

[jwwashburn]

Yep, he got dumped because he dropped a bag of crap as he walked away. However, he actually did look surprised that he was dumped. Maybe the 2B umpire's magic word list is different than Crawford's. Now Terry knows, eh?

His response to the ejection was really funny. Crawford is trying to get in between and terry is yelling. NO NO NO....he wanted the young un to spalin himself.

[UES]

I happen to know Scott Barry - not real well but enough to say that that shoulder shrug meant absolutely nothing . Scott is not that type of guy - he just doesn't roll like way. If that was a full time umpire, Francona doesn't even come out to discuss a play like that. He probably wanted to test the "fill in" and went out and I guess Scott didn't give him the answer he wanted to hear. The conversation was going a little long so Crawford came in as a "**** deflector" to take the focus off Barry. I'm assuming Francona said the magic words (just as he was turning to walk away - GUTLESS) and put Barry in a tough spot. Do you ignore the comment(s) (which his crew chief heard as well) and let him walk away or do you run him so that Francona knows next time he's not going to get away with the cheap shot. Barry took a stand and while it may not have looked good to eject someone as they're walking away, I'm sure Crawford probably said after the game "I would have thought less of you if you DIDN'T throw him out". And Gammons made a poor choice by incorrectly interpreting a gesture and then "big leaguing" him with that cheap shot "go back to little league sh!t (that's original Gammons - never heard that before). The old man may know baseball... but doesn't know jack crap about officiating. Just my thoughts

[ren0901]

...from Boston.com:

On why he was ejected by umpire Scott Barry in the second inning last night:

Francona: “I went out and was arguing a lot of what happened in the first inning. I thought there was an obstruction play [when a runner slid into second in the first inning]. The rules say you have to make an attempt to touch second. There was no attempt. I know how I feel. And Scott’s explanation I didn't think was very good, and I was looking for a reason to go back out and tell him that, and I did. So I knew I was going to get ejected. I got to a point where I thought, 'OK, he didn’t throw me out,' so I said, ‘Cool, I’ll hang around.’ Right as I’m starting to leave, he ejects me . . . I deserved to be thrown out.”

...the full article can be found at this link

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Originally Posted by ren0901

...from Boston.com:

On why he was ejected by umpire Scott Barry in the second inning last night:

Francona: “I went out and was arguing a lot of what happened in the first inning. I thought there was an obstruction play [when a runner slid into second in the first inning]. The rules say you have to make an attempt to touch second. There was no attempt. I know how I feel. And Scott’s explanation I didn't think was very good, and I was looking for a reason to go back out and tell him that, and I did. So I knew I was going to get ejected. I got to a point where I thought, 'OK, he didn’t throw me out,' so I said, ‘Cool, I’ll hang around.’ Right as I’m starting to leave, he ejects me . . . I deserved to be thrown out.”

...the full article can be found at this link

Gammons should go back and write for the Farm Weekly in Russell Kansas!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by ren0901

...from Boston.com:

On why he was ejected by umpire Scott Barry in the second inning last night:

Francona: “I went out and was arguing a lot of what happened in the first inning. I thought there was an obstruction play [when a runner slid into second in the first inning]. The rules say you have to make an attempt to touch second. There was no attempt. I know how I feel. And Scott’s explanation I didn't think was very good, and I was looking for a reason to go back out and tell him that, and I did. So I knew I was going to get ejected. I got to a point where I thought, 'OK, he didn’t throw me out,' so I said, ‘Cool, I’ll hang around.’ Right as I’m starting to leave, he ejects me . . . I deserved to be thrown out.”

...the full article can be found at this link

I guess he means an interference play?

[constable]

I give Terry credit for admitting he deserved to get thrown out, regardless if he is getting obstruction and interference mixed up.