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Rich Ives Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:22pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 620023)
It matters.

Why? The persons empowered to make rules ruled. If you're doing one of their games it's official.

Rich Ives Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:24pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 620030)
2001? I guess interps are stagnant, eh?

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Why? Do rules have to be re-done every year?

They're in effect until changed - and these haven't.

MrUmpire Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 620056)
Why? Do rules have to be re-done every year?

I believe you quoted interpretations of rules, not rules.


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They're in effect until changed - and these haven't.
They are in effect until interpreted otherwise. And according to some ML umpires, this has been done.

MrUmpire Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:32pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 620055)
Why? The persons empowered to make rules ruled. If you're doing one of their games it's official.

Sorry, those quotes are not from persons "empowered to make rules."

In two cases they are interps from people no longer making interps. And none are from people who provide interps for MLB.

mbyron Wed Aug 12, 2009 06:58am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 620059)
Sorry, those quotes are not from persons "empowered to make rules."

In two cases they are interps from people no longer making interps. And none are from people who provide interps for MLB.

True. Do you have something written from MLB that contradicts these interps? Until we have that, I don't see much choice other than to go with what we have, individual MLB umpires' opinions to the contrary notwithstanding.

UmpTTS43 Wed Aug 12, 2009 08:35am

FWIW, Wendelstedt does not recognize this appeal. It is in his 2008 Rules and Mechanics manual.

Since I am of the hard headed sort, I am not going to allow this appeal for any OBR game since I have something in writing from 2008. As far as NCAA, I am going to have to check around.

Rich Ives Wed Aug 12, 2009 08:55am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 620059)
Sorry, those quotes are not from persons "empowered to make rules."

In two cases they are interps from people no longer making interps. And none are from people who provide interps for MLB.

They aren't? They were empowered to make interpretations. Isn't that close enough?

Do rules/laws expire when the persons passing them leave office? Not where I live.

I never said they covered MLB - I said FED, NCAA, and PBUC.

So you don't like the rulings. Evans doesn't like the MLB ruling that you can overrun first on a walk. People have differing opinions on how things should be interpreted. That doesn't mean one can ignore the official ones in the applicable venues.

aceholleran Wed Aug 12, 2009 08:58am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 619984)
Five pages, I predict. Maybe six.

Too funny, KF.

BTW gang, I had a walk-off walk this year and B1 "almost" went into the dugout. You had to see F2 chase him to first trying to tag him, which he did, with no call from me.

Losing coach: (Who, considering all factors, was quite reasonable) "My player tagged the kid."
Me: "Well, he touched the batter-runner with the ball, It wasn't a tag."
Coach: "What?"
Me: "You may tag someone only if he is in peril of being thrown out. You can't tag a runner on his way to first after a walk."
Coach: "Then the batter was out of the baseline."
Me: "A tag play must be in progress to call a runner out of the baseline."
Coach: "Right. My kid tagged him."

.. and so on.

Logic that would give Thomas Aquinas a stiff neck.

Ace in CT

johnnyg08 Wed Aug 12, 2009 09:00am

Interesting that Wendelstedt teaches one thing in their book, then when their honor grads go to PBUC, they have to learn something different.

Rich Ives Wed Aug 12, 2009 09:21am

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 620101)
Interesting that Wendelstedt teaches one thing in their book, then when their honor grads go to PBUC, they have to learn something different.

Rumor has it that Evans still teaches that you can't overrun first on a walk.

johnnyg08 Wed Aug 12, 2009 09:26am

I guess I don't understand why at "pro school" where they train all umpires who are in the pro system, stuff that won't apply to them when the move on to the next level.

Is Wendel or Evans teaching more concept in those principles and that's why they teach it that way?

nopachunts Wed Aug 12, 2009 09:42am

Gameplay situation I need a ruling on
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 619984)
Five pages, I predict. Maybe six.

Almost there

UmpTTS43 Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:02am

At least there has been some rules disussions/interpretations vs. the opinions of whether a certain MLB umpire is any good. :rolleyes:

Rcichon Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:17am

hmmm...
 
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Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 620100)
Too funny, KF.

BTW gang, I had a walk-off walk this year and B1 "almost" went into the dugout. You had to see F2 chase him to first trying to tag him, which he did, with no call from me.

Losing coach: (Who, considering all factors, was quite reasonable) "My player tagged the kid."
Me: "Well, he touched the batter-runner with the ball, It wasn't a tag."
Coach: "What?"
Me: "You may tag someone only if he is in peril of being thrown out. You can't tag a runner on his way to first after a walk."
Coach: "Then the batter was out of the baseline."
Me: "A tag play must be in progress to call a runner out of the baseline."
Coach: "Right. My kid tagged him."

.. and so on.

Logic that would give Thomas Aquinas a stiff neck.

Ace in CT

I wonder if this could be interp'd as a 'fake tag'.

I'm sure someone will say, "Don't pick that booger"!
:D

bob jenkins Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:23am

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 620115)
Almost there

Depends on how many posts you have per page (in your personal settings). We're only on page 2 for me.


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