Strike two/Ball four

[realistic]

Meriweather should not have made a call at all. Coop called timeout as the ball was in the air to second so the play was dead.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by realistic

Meriweather should not have made a call at all. Coop called timeout as the ball was in the air to second so the play was dead.

I believe the only thing Cooper did after the strike call was bring his hand back to his chest quickly like "I really hope nobody saw that strike call just then." (Having refereed basketball I'm familiar with this move having both done it and witnessed it on a foul/violation almost-call - fortunately we have a whistle to fall back on but it still doesn't look good). His hands may have started to go up when the ball was at second but by that time it's too late, Meriweather had turned to make the play.

[realistic]

the worst thing is Coop's timing was so fast. The pitch was a ball like he thought it was. Maybe that was Bruce Campbell's hand signaling strike.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by realistic

the worst thing is Coop's timing was so fast. The pitch was a ball like he thought it was. Maybe that was Bruce Campbell's hand signaling strike.

The pitch was right on the corner, or just off. It was very close and he should have left it a strike. Changing your mind is weak. Cooper has never impressed me all that much, speaking of which umps rank where. You are right that he called it too quickly. I haven't seen an arm shoot out that fast since Frank Pulli retired.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by realistic

Meriweather should not have made a call at all. Coop called timeout as the ball was in the air to second so the play was dead.

That's not realistic. Meriweather's back was already turned when Cooper's feeble time signal went up. And when did the rule change that a walk killed play?

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by Ump153

That's not realistic. Meriweather's back was already turned when Cooper's feeble time signal went up. And when did the rule change that a walk killed play?

7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when (b) The batter's advance without liability to be put out forces the runner to vacate his base, .....

You are correct, the ball is not dead but he still gets 2nd without liability. If he would have overslidden, he could be tagged out. If there was an overthrow, he could advance further, (unless you consider Coopers weak timeout signal killed the play).

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when (b) The batter's advance without liability to be put out forces the runner to vacate his base, .....

You are correct, the ball is not dead but he still gets 2nd without liability. If he would have overslidden, he could be tagged out. If there was an overthrow, he could advance further,

I think we all know this.

(unless you consider Coopers weak timeout signal killed the play).

It seems that is what Cooper said.

[rbmartin]

[QUOTE=Ump153;619578]I think we all know this./QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original post. My bad.