Pickoff from the stretch position

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Really.

Feint: deceive by a mock action; "The midfielder feinted to shoot"

F1 may do this to 2B or 3B.

Yes, but he cannot do this to first and the statement was worded universally. So, again: Really?

There are THREE things any pitcher can do after coming set. Pitch, disengage, step and throw to a base. (OBR 8.0)

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Yes, but he cannot do this to first and the statement was worded universally. So, again: Really?

There are THREE things any pitcher can do after coming set. Pitch, disengage, step and throw to a base. (OBR 8.0)

Hmm...so he can't balk??? or call time???

Don't you hate it when people just pick apart a logical response...me too..

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Hmm...so he can't balk??? or call time???

Don't you hate it when people just pick apart a logical response...me too..

We're speaking legal actions according to the rules here, genius. 8.01 (b) Trying reading it.

But since you enjoy playing the fool, F1 can breathe, day dream and scratch his a$$ if he'd like.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Yes, but he cannot do this to first and the statement was worded universally. So, again: Really?

There are THREE things any pitcher can do after coming set. Pitch, disengage, step and throw to a base. (OBR 8.0)

Again, yes, really. Although the statement was worded universally, it was also worded disjunctively. So one of the things F1 may always do after coming set is to step and (throw OR feint) to a base.

Your way of stating the permissible actions is also misleading, since (by your reasoning) F1 may never feint to any base.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Again, yes, really. Although the statement was worded universally, it was also worded disjunctively. So one of the things F1 may always do after coming set is to step and (throw OR feint) to a base.

Your way of stating the permissible actions is also misleading, since (by your reasoning) F1 may never feint to any base.

Now you're just being stubborn.

The obvious difference is that my list is what a pitcher ALWAYS can do to any base and is the wording found in 8.01 (b)

Next time you attend an Evans clinic and when he recites the three actions I listed, be sure to stand up right away and say "You forgot feint!"

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Next time you attend an Evans clinic and when he recites the three actions I listed, be sure to stand up right away and say "You forgot feint!"

Funny, last one I went to, he remembered to say it. You're the one who forgot.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Funny, last one I went to, he remembered to say it. You're the one who forgot.

After speaking with a couple of his instructors, the most polite thing I can say is your memory is incorrect.


Whatever gets you through the night, "perfesser."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ump153

After speaking with a couple of his instructors, the most polite thing I can say is your memory is incorrect.


Whatever gets you through the night, "perfesser."

Like your other posts in this thread, you are again incorrect, as my memory is correct and confirmed by my notes.

Your personal comments about me do not support your case. But thanks for playing. Better luck in the next thread.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Like your other posts in this thread, you are again incorrect, as my memory is correct and confirmed by my notes.

Your personal comments about me do not support your case. But thanks for playing. Better luck in the next thread.

Isn't that cute. You have notes that agree with your position.

I had a perfesser like you at UW. He couldn't stand to be wrong either. He dodged, weaved and made accusations just like you.

I'll see your notes, raise you two fourth year insturctors and throw in my notes from school: (which, not coincidentally, are remarkably similar to 8.01 (b)

The Set Position. Set Position shall be indicated by the pitcher when he stands facing the batter with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of, and in contact with, and not off the end of the pitcher’s plate, and his other foot in front of the pitcher’s plate, holding the ball in both hands in front of his body and coming to a complete stop. From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher’s plate with his pivot foot.

Now then, as I've indicated before, this is the common, universal description of what F1 may do legally. It is not an exhaustive list by any means. But including the action of a "feint" to the list makes it far less accurate, unless one includes to where a legal feint may be made.

Have good evening perfesser. I see nothing to be gained by continuing a conversation with someone who just cannot admit to reality.

Good luck re-writing the JEA. Just refer to your notes.