Never seen this before

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

You can easily see a swing on a lefty from the A (better than you can from the B or C).

Then why in 3-man with a left handed batter up and R1 does the PU not check with the U1 and instead checks with U3 who is in the middle? If the U1 can see a lefty's check swing better, why bother checking with the guy in the middle?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

those who say you can't probably haven't watched, played, or worked much baseball

And those who make blanket statements are often wrong.

Originally Posted by SethPDX

I always tell my partner, "give me what you have" as PU. If I'm BU I'll tell my PU I'm giving what I have. And no way are we using any secret code like, "If I say 'he didn't go, did he?' I want you to back up my call." Fortunately I see fewer and fewer guys who "get crazy about it."

I don't disagree with this at all. If I go to my partner, I want him to give me what he has. But, most veteran guys I have worked with will not come to me in A with a left handed batter up in the first place. I just don't see how you can see that all that well since the batter has his back to you and unless he REALLY offered at the pitch (Which should be obvious and be called a strike by the PU to begin with), the bat won't be visible very well. Maybe it will come with experience.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

And those who make blanket statements are often wrong.



I don't disagree with this at all. If I go to my partner, I want him to give me what he has. But, most veteran guys I have worked with will not come to me in A with a left handed batter up in the first place. I just don't see how you can see that all that well since the batter has his back to you and unless he REALLY offered at the pitch (Which should be obvious and be called a strike by the PU to begin with), the bat won't be visible very well. Maybe it will come with experience.

Those veteran guys must go in OBR/NCAA games and really should in FED games as well. If you didn't see an offer, you simply give a safe signal and life goes on. If he refuses, then he gets into a pissing match with the catcher/coach and what does that serve?

I watched an ejection from the C position when my partner wouldn't come to me in a HS game about 15 years ago and one thing led to another and ... . Thing is, the batter offered and I wouldn't have hesitated to punch his ticket. But I never was asked, although I got to play rodeo clown.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Then why in 3-man with a left handed batter up and R1 does the PU not check with the U1 and instead checks with U3 who is in the middle? If the U1 can see a lefty's check swing better, why bother checking with the guy in the middle?

That is why some leagues have gone to checking with they guy on the wing.

Tim C posted something about a "study" once -- maybe he'll post it again.

In any event, I've called it from every batter - position combination (except D with a RH batter), and I never guessed at the call.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Then why in 3-man with a left handed batter up and R1 does the PU not check with the U1 and instead checks with U3 who is in the middle? If the U1 can see a lefty's check swing better, why bother checking with the guy in the middle?

That's the current PBUC mechanic. Dash's point was that they're testing a new mechanic. The rationale for the new mechanic is that "wing" umpires get a better view of how far the bat goes.