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justanotherblue Thu May 21, 2009 12:14pm
when he began arguing your called strike on the swing, he is now arguing balls and strikes. What he should have added is... well now coach that is balls and strikes and were not discussing it any further, you can return to your bench or leave.

David B Thu May 21, 2009 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by justanotherblue (Post 603828)
when he began arguing your called strike on the swing, he is now arguing balls and strikes. What he should have added is... well now coach that is balls and strikes and were not discussing it any further, you can return to your bench or leave.
Exactly.

I like what Ozzy wrote. Exactly how it should happen.

Thnaks
David

Forest Ump Thu May 21, 2009 01:02pm
Like most here, I'm going to say "Yes he did" while pointing at the batter if I rule a check swing a strike. If the coach starts asking me if it's on the pitch or the swing, I might just reply back that he will see me indicate it if its on the swing. Hopefully that will put that nonsense to rest.

HokieUmp Thu May 21, 2009 02:17pm
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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 603792)
At least around here, it seems to be a personal choice for a PU to appeal to the BU on an attempted check swing that the PU concludes he did swing. Others around here will pregame that "if I come to you on a check swing, agree with what I called". I, personally, don't have a problem going to the BU if I'm in doubt. If they say something that I didn't, I want them to make the correct call (not the call that is going to save my butt).
Whaaaaaa? :confused: Say it with me, now:

"Check swing strikes are not appeal-able."

scarolinablue Thu May 21, 2009 02:41pm
Had this scenario happen to me in the playoffs this year, albeit on a bunt. OC wanted me to appeal, I informed him there was no appeal on a strike called due to an attempt. End of discussion, and we moved on...

GA Umpire Thu May 21, 2009 03:20pm
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Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 603848)
Had this scenario happen to me in the playoffs this year, albeit on a bunt. OC wanted me to appeal, I informed him there was no appeal on a strike called due to an attempt. End of discussion, and we moved on...
There is no appeal on a strike called, period.

mattmets Thu May 21, 2009 03:24pm
There's also the story Ron Luciano told in one of his books. Working with Emmett Ashford at first, Ron called a swinging strike on a check-swing. When the offensive manager told him to get help, Ron did, and Emmett affirmed the call. Luciano's response to the manager? "There- now you've got it in black and white."

I know how most here feel about Luciano, but that was his take on the sitch.

DonInKansas Thu May 21, 2009 06:45pm
If it's ruled a strike, it's a swing, not a check-swing. Can't appeal what it isn't.

Or something.:D

yawetag Thu May 21, 2009 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by harmbu (Post 603789)
PU: Before you start, we are not going to discuss balls and strikes.
That seems a bit confrontational to me. Granted, I wasn't there to see any non-verbal actions by the coach, but can't see myself ever starting a conversation like that.

SanDiegoSteve Fri May 22, 2009 12:16am
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 603944)
That seems a bit confrontational to me. Granted, I wasn't there to see any non-verbal actions by the coach, but can't see myself ever starting a conversation like that.
Not only that, but then he compounded it by breaking the rule which says that strike calls can't be appealed. He went from one extreme to the other in one conversation. Weak a$$.

SethPDX Fri May 22, 2009 02:24am
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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 603803)
PU: I called it a swing.

Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.

PU: Coach, I called the swing, not the pitch. It's a strike and there is no appeal on a strike call.
I had a conversation like this twice this year, with the same coach, in two games about a month apart.

If I were coaching I think I would look up that rule after the first game, but...well, that's what I get for thinking. :p

mbyron Fri May 22, 2009 07:47am
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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 603958)
I had a conversation like this twice this year, with the same coach, in two games about a month apart.

If I were coaching I think I would look up that rule after the first game, but...well, that's what I get for thinking. :p
Coach might have been working you. Apparently you can get some umpires to reverse a strike call.

David B Fri May 22, 2009 08:07am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 603974)
Coach might have been working you. Apparently you can get some umpires to reverse a strike call.
I think this is really going on way too much. I've noticed the last couple of seasons that coaches now want to appeal "everything".

The only thing I can think of is that there are "lots of umpires" who are allowing them to appeal things that should "not" be appealed.

Thanks
David

archangel Fri May 22, 2009 08:50am
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Originally Posted by David B (Post 603979)
I think this is really going on way too much. I've noticed the last couple of seasons that coaches now want to appeal "everything".

The only thing I can think of is that there are "lots of umpires" who are allowing them to appeal things that should "not" be appealed.
Thanks
David
I kinda disagree. I believe that there are "lots of umpires" who, when asked to appeal to their partner, do so, when they should just stick with their own call instead....

johnnyg08 Fri May 22, 2009 08:52am
I agree with Dave B...sometimes we just have to tell the coach..."there's no way I'm asking my partner...he's not even supposed to be watching _______." Or "I am 100% sure of what I saw, I'm not asking him."


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