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cc6 Wed Apr 29, 2009 08:58pm
I'd rather he visit me between innings than hold up the game.

If he wants to argue the last out of an inning, I might wait for a second until he starts coming towards me, then make him chase me all the way to right field. I might even alter my path to kick first base, then go as deep into right field as I can, or even go into right-center field; anything to make him run more. Then when he finally reaches me I might grin at him and say "you have a nice run?".

JJ Wed Apr 29, 2009 09:05pm
One of the reasons we go out into short RF is to get away from coaches at the end of a half inning. That way if they choose to come out to "talk" with us, they will appear to be the "instigator" or "aggressor" should the discussion escalate.
If they want to come out in this manner, I do not go meet them halfway. As others have said, I will answer their question as calmly and professionally as possible.

JJ

umpjong Wed Apr 29, 2009 09:07pm
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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 598792)
One of the reasons we go out into short RF is to get away from coaches at the end of a half inning. That way if they choose to come out to "talk" with us, they will appear to be the "instigator" or "aggressor" should the discussion escalate.
If they want to come out in this manner, I do not go meet them halfway. As others have said, I will answer their question as calmly and professionally as possible.

JJ
And offer them gum...........:D

JRutledge Wed Apr 29, 2009 09:13pm
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Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 598791)
I'd rather he visit me between innings than hold up the game.

If he wants to argue the last out of an inning, I might wait for a second until he starts coming towards me, then make him chase me all the way to right field. I might even alter my path to kick first base, then go as deep into right field as I can, or even go into right-center field; anything to make him run more. Then when he finally reaches me I might grin at him and say "you have a nice run?".
For the record I did not know he was coming out to even have a conversation. I did not realize it until I was already in RF. The play that he was arguing was not the last out or the second out. I did not know there was an issue. And I told him, "I would have had more respect for you if you would have come out when the play happened." At the very least I could address the situation immediately, not several minutes later.

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 598792)
One of the reasons we go out into short RF is to get away from coaches at the end of a half inning. That way if they choose to come out to "talk" with us, they will appear to be the "instigator" or "aggressor" should the discussion escalate.
If they want to come out in this manner, I do not go meet them halfway. As others have said, I will answer their question as calmly and professionally as possible.

JJ
Exactly.

Peace

johnnyg08 Wed Apr 29, 2009 09:18pm
Why is it a respect issue? Nobody else knows what you're talking about.

JRutledge Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 598797)
Why is it a respect issue? Nobody else knows what you're talking about.
Respect means a lot to me. If you know what you are doing as a coach, you do not come out in that situation in my opinion. The fact that this was a first year coach is telling. And the fact that no veteran coach would wait for several outs to debate a call. And yes, umpires have a right to have respect or not have respect for coaches.

Peace

DG Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 598655)
"Did he tag him?"
Well sure coach, why else would I call him out?

It's not common to come out after a half inning to ask about an earlier out. In fact I don't recall that ever happening to me.

Sometimes coaches have other motivations for coming out. Last year I had the HC who was in the 3B box come down to me after I kept his batter in the box for not avoiding a pitch, and in fact leading his thigh into it. He says "You and I know he leaned into that pitch but his Dad is in the stands and I know he is going to chew on me if I don't come down here to say something to you about it, so please don't smile as I walk away, because all I want is him off my butt". His head was bobbing like he was making an argument but he was really satisfying another need.

Brett Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 598801)
And yes, umpires have a right to have respect or not have respect for coaches.
I wouldn't question that; however, I do question what benefit is gained by sharing that opinion with the coach in a situation like this.

It isn't going to make things better and can only make things worse.

JRutledge Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Brett (Post 598809)
I wouldn't question that; however, I do question what benefit is gained by sharing that opinion with the coach in a situation like this.

It isn't going to make things better and can only make things worse.
The benefit I got out of saying that, he did not come out there again for something stupid. He knew how I felt about the situation.

I feel we worry too much about what a coach thinks. Nothing got worse or drastically changed as a result of the exchange.

Peace

celebur Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:22am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 598909)
The benefit I got out of saying that, he did not come out there again for something stupid. He knew how I felt about the situation.

I feel we worry too much about what a coach thinks. Nothing got worse or drastically changed as a result of the exchange.
And hopefully, this first-year coach learned something that will make him a better coach. ;)

johnnyg08 Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:26am
maybe/maybe not.

JRutledge Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:30am
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Originally Posted by celebur (Post 598915)
And hopefully, this first-year coach learned something that will make him a better coach. ;)
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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 598916)
maybe/maybe not.
You are both right. And if you are not right, that is not my concern. ;)

If history is any indication, the next time I have him after this year might be never.

Peace

jicecone Thu Apr 30, 2009 01:36pm
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Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 598791)
I'd rather he visit me between innings than hold up the game.

If he wants to argue the last out of an inning, I might wait for a second until he starts coming towards me, then make him chase me all the way to right field. I might even alter my path to kick first base, then go as deep into right field as I can, or even go into right-center field; anything to make him run more. Then when he finally reaches me I might grin at him and say "you have a nice run?".
You know evryone like a little arse, but not many like a smart arse. Thats exactly what your doing here. Showing the coach how non-professional you really are. Un-called for.

SethPDX Thu Apr 30, 2009 02:13pm
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Originally Posted by cc6 (Post 598791)
If he wants to argue the last out of an inning, I might wait for a second until he starts coming towards me, then make him chase me all the way to right field. I might even alter my path to kick first base, then go as deep into right field as I can, or even go into right-center field; anything to make him run more. Then when he finally reaches me I might grin at him and say "you have a nice run?".
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Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 598978)
You know evryone like a little arse, but not many like a smart arse. Thats exactly what your doing here. Showing the coach how non-professional you really are. Un-called for.
I am going to be optimistic and say that he's joking with us here. At any rate, it is another of his amusing stories.

gordon30307 Thu Apr 30, 2009 02:47pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 598655)
I am just curious what would others do. This has happen to me twice this year that has not happened but maybe one other time in my career.

I was working the bases the other day and I called a player out on a pick off while standing in the B position, which my partner did not think was close at all. This was the first out of the inning and no other incidents in the inning. The inning ends and I go to short right field.

As I turn around, I see the coach of the team that was up to bat walking slowly out to right field.

He gets there and asks me what I feel it a very dumb question in a very calm voice, "Did he tag him?" To make a long story short, I did answer the question after I told him "I cannot believe you came out here for a play that happened early in the inning."

Now I am wondering is the becoming common for coaches to come to short right after the inning is officially over to discuss plays? How do you handle those situations if they occur? Would you just eject a coach for doing such a thing, or handle it in another way?

Peace
Hi Rut,

Had a similar situation. The Coach came out and I made him walk all the way out to me. When he got there I said What are you doing out here? He looked at me and without saying a word turned around and walked all the way back to the dugout. Only time it ever happened to me.


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