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Tim C Wed Apr 29, 2009 05:44pm

Btw
 
In this world of political correctness we no longer call players "substitutes" we call them "alternative starters."

w_sohl Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:29pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 598741)
There's a reason to having never thought of it. It's wrong.

In our area, it isn't wrong. Only players listed on the lineup at the time of protest, if it is upheld, will be permitted to participate in the continuation of said protested game.

MrUmpire Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:57pm

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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 598814)
In our area, it isn't wrong. Only players listed on the lineup at the time of protest, if it is upheld, will be permitted to participate in the continuation of said protested game.


Then that's how you should have portrayed it, as a local abberation.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Apr 30, 2009 04:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 598814)
In our area, it isn't wrong. Only players listed on the lineup at the time of protest, if it is upheld, will be permitted to participate in the continuation of said protested game.



Are you saying that the CIF has a rule that supersedes the NFHS rule? Or are you saying that umpires in your area will not allow it?

MTD, Sr.

umpjong Thu Apr 30, 2009 09:53am

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 598752)
In this world of political correctness we no longer call players "substitutes" we call them "alternative starters."

D***, I missed another memo. :eek:

mikebran Thu Apr 30, 2009 02:55pm

O m g
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 598502)
However, if a protest is made and upheld the coach can only play with the players listed on his lineup card the day of that game. He cannot add new players later so it is in his best interest to have everyone on the card wether they'll come in or not.

Uh, this is BS. Unless you have some "local rule", that the other 99.9% here don't care about.

Can this question have made the 1,000th time posted?

OBR
FED

NO SUB listings are required.

And if I get sent to start the 4th inning of a PROTEST game started 3 weeks prior, we will do our best to get started with proper players, but then he can sub in WHOEVER HE DAMN WELL PLEASES. (that is legal). REgardless of what that 3 week old lineup card says.

Jeez.

w_sohl Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 598833)
Are you saying that the CIF has a rule that supersedes the NFHS rule? Or are you saying that umpires in your area will not allow it?

MTD, Sr.

No, I'm saying that is what the powers that be in our association have told us on protests. It was news to me when I heard it this year. Made some sense to me, but seems like it would be difficult to enforce unless the other coach took care of it.

w_sohl Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikebran (Post 599007)
Uh, this is BS. Unless you have some "local rule", that the other 99.9% here don't care about.

Can this question have made the 1,000th time posted?

OBR
FED

NO SUB listings are required.

And if I get sent to start the 4th inning of a PROTEST game started 3 weeks prior, we will do our best to get started with proper players, but then he can sub in WHOEVER HE DAMN WELL PLEASES. (that is legal). REgardless of what that 3 week old lineup card says.

Jeez.

Deep breaths dude, deep breaths...

See post above...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri May 01, 2009 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 599121)
No, I'm saying that is what the powers that be in our association have told us on protests. It was news to me when I heard it this year. Made some sense to me, but seems like it would be difficult to enforce unless the other coach took care of it.


Since when does an umpires' association have the right to issue a ruling that is a direct violaiton of the rules code they are required to uphold?

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri May 01, 2009 03:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikebran (Post 599007)
Uh, this is BS. Unless you have some "local rule", that the other 99.9% here don't care about.

Can this question have made the 1,000th time posted?

OBR
FED

NO SUB listings are required.

And if I get sent to start the 4th inning of a PROTEST game started 3 weeks prior, we will do our best to get started with proper players, but then he can sub in WHOEVER HE DAMN WELL PLEASES. (that is legal). REgardless of what that 3 week old lineup card says.

Jeez.


I agree with you.

MTD, Sr.

w_sohl Sat May 02, 2009 02:59am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 599261)
Since when does an umpires' association have the right to issue a ruling that is a direct violaiton of the rules code they are required to uphold?

MTD, Sr.

This is just what we were told. Not sure if it is CIF or what, just what was said in the meeting.


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