fly out supersedes declared out ?

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Excuse me. I have followed this thread. That's where I read your statementL "When a violation has occured and is observed, it should always be vocalized at the time of the infraction."

Not being a mind reader, I took you at your words.

I'm happy that you know what you're doing. Now if you only knew what you were saying.

Alright, I'll give you that.

You sure you're not my wife? Sound just like her.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

You sure you're not my wife? Sound just like her.

Where I live, that kind of an arrangement is now prohibited by the state constitution.

[SAump]

Same situation, batter hits a HR instead of a fly out, passing occurred. The out is recognized during a stoppage of time. [7.08h]

For the record on OP fly out, home plate was never legally obtained by the runner. The runner must return and touch 3B. Three outs officially ended the half-inning. This point about a possible apparent, advantageous 4th out is now moot. [2.00 Retouch]

OP. Dropped ball, passing, RF throws to 2nd for the force. No run scores.
{Note: I doubt passing effectively removes the force out on R1 at 2B. [7.08e]}

OP. Dropped ball, passing, all runners safely reach advanced base. Run scores. Half-inning ends.
{Note: Passing "effectively" becomes 3rd out of the half-inning. [7.08h]}

Passing in "effect" is treated as a delayed, dead ball penalty on the offense. [9.01c]

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Problem solved,

Do it like the IFF, Vocalize B/R out for passing if uncaught and fair.

If the play is a IFF how can we have a B/R passing another runner? The B/R is out as soon as the IFF is called.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

Same situation, batter hits a HR instead of a fly out, passing occurred. The out is recognized during a stoppage of time.

For the record on OP fly out, home plate was never legally obtained by the runner. The runner must return and touch 3B. Three outs officially ended the half-inning. This point about a possible apparent, advantageous 4th out is now moot.

OP. Dropped ball, passing, RF throws to 2nd for the force. No run scores.
{Note: I doubt passing effectively removes the force out on R1 at 2B.}

OP. Dropped ball, passing, all runners safely reach advanced base. Run scores. Half-inning ends.
{Note: Passing "effectively" becomes 3rd out of the half-inning.}

Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible given how I'm feelign this morning and the amount of OTC drugs in my system, you're 0 for 3.

[Tim C]

"Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible given how I'm feelign this morning and the amount of OTC drugs in my system, you're 0 for 3."

Actually Bob, to be brutally honest, "SA" is 0-for-his career on this site.

Regards,

[SAump]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible given how I'm feelign this morning and the amount of OTC drugs in my system, you're 0 for 3.

You were correct, again. You never miss anything.
I was missing something from each scenario I presented. BRD 416.
I was wrong, 0-fer-3.