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Klokard Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:01pm

Let's go one step further on the original post. If the runner on 3rd is heads up enough to return to second on the errant throw by the pitcher, has he now rightfully acquired second base? Assuming as brought forth in a previous post the ball is live.

yawetag Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:15am

As long as the ball never goes dead. Once the ball is dead, a player has no right to return to a base they missed, unless it's to retouch on a defense error (ball thrown out of play).

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Originally Posted by Klokard (Post 538347)
Let's go one step further on the original post. If the runner on 3rd is heads up enough to return to second on the errant throw by the pitcher, has he now rightfully acquired second base? Assuming as brought forth in a previous post the ball is live.


ptmac Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:51am

touching a prior base
 
Once a runner has touched a succeeding base, they lose the right to return to an untouched base. For example, in MacGuire's record home run, he missed first base and was called back to touch it before touching second. If he had touched second, the defence could have appealed after the ball was put back into play and the home run would have been negated on the failure to touch first.

Matt Sun Sep 21, 2008 01:44am

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 538354)
As long as the ball never goes dead. Once the ball is dead, a player has no right to return to a base they missed, unless it's to retouch on a defense error (ball thrown out of play).

This is not true in OBR. As long as the runner does not touch an advance base after the ball goes dead, he may correct his error.

mbyron Sun Sep 21, 2008 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by ptmac (Post 538357)
Once a runner has touched a succeeding base, they lose the right to return to an untouched base.

This is true ONLY when the ball goes out of play. In your example, it was a dead ball on the HR. In the OP, the ball is live, and the runner MAY return to correct his baserunning error.

yawetag Sun Sep 21, 2008 05:42pm

You are correct. As long as a succeeding base is not touched, you can return to touch it.

This i what I meant: BR hits long shot over F9's head. BR misses first, and touches second. On the way to third, F9 throws ball over F5, sailing into stands. BR has no right to return to first for a touch. He takes penalty as given, then defense can appeal the miss at first.

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 538361)
This is not true in OBR. As long as the runner does not touch an advance base after the ball goes dead, he may correct his error.


Dave Reed Sun Sep 21, 2008 07:08pm

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 538411)
You [mbryon] are correct. As long as a succeeding base is not touched, you can return to touch it.

This i what I meant: BR hits long shot over F9's head. BR misses first, and touches second. On the way to third, F9 throws ball over F5, sailing into stands. BR has no right to return to first for a touch. He takes penalty as given, then defense can appeal the miss at first.

mbryon was correct. However, your example is wrong for OBR and NCAA. The runner can return unless he touches a next base after the ball goes dead on a overthrow. See PBUC 3.10 or J/R Chapter 9 B(3)

Matt Sun Sep 21, 2008 09:17pm

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 538411)
You are correct. As long as a succeeding base is not touched, you can return to touch it.

That is not what I said. But I am correct.

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 538411)
This i what I meant: BR hits long shot over F9's head. BR misses first, and touches second. On the way to third, F9 throws ball over F5, sailing into stands. BR has no right to return to first for a touch. He takes penalty as given, then defense can appeal the miss at first.

You are wrong. If a runner touches no advance base after the ball goes out of play, he can return to any preceding base to correct an error, dead ball notwithstanding. If he misses first and is in between third and home when the ball goes out of play, he can still legally rectify his error.

Matt Sun Sep 21, 2008 09:17pm

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed (Post 538423)
mbryon was correct. However, your example is wrong for OBR and NCAA. The runner can return unless he touches a next base after the ball goes dead on a overthrow. See PBUC 3.10 or J/R Chapter 9 B(3)

Or MLBUM 5.12.

mbyron Mon Sep 22, 2008 06:12am

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed (Post 538423)
mbyron was correct.

Fixed that for ya. :cool:


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