Carls POEOD #2

[rex]

Somehow I got the right answer but the way I got there was wrong. So if this were a math test there would be no way I could prove my solution and I'd still be wrong.

I'm not trying to argue my method of arriving at my answer I'm more or less asking where my thinking is wrong.

Item #1 I stated that sense the catcher carried the ball into the dugout the ball was dead. Warren W. came back with 5.10(f)/7.04(c). It seems to me that these rules pertain to a batted ball and the momentum of the act of catching said-batted ball (or thrown ball). This catcher had the ball under control and deliberately went into dead ball territory. So the question would be is a ball live even if it was put in dead ball territory? I saw this in a Mariners game just recently. Runner on, one out, pop fly down the first base line it drifted foul F9 caught it for the out then handed the ball to a kid in the stands. When he realized what he had done he ran back to the kid got the ball and threw it in. (I realize it's different but it's close and we won't go into the correct call here) I youth ball he could have put the ball into his gear bag just outside the dead ball line as a souvenir.


Item #2 I said that sense there was no appeal on the runnier missing home it was assumed he did make the touch and the run scored. Does the assumption of a missed base and no appeal only pertain to the basses?

rex

[Carl Childress]

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Originally posted by rex:
Somehow I got the right answer but the way I got there was wrong. So if this were a math test there would be no way I could prove my solution and I'd still be wrong.

I'm not trying to argue my method of arriving at my answer I'm more or less asking where my thinking is wrong.

Item #1 I stated that sense the catcher carried the ball into the dugout the ball was dead. Warren W. came back with 5.10(f)/7.04(c). It seems to me that these rules pertain to a batted ball and the momentum of the act of catching said-batted ball (or thrown ball). This catcher had the ball under control and deliberately went into dead ball territory. So the question would be is a ball live even if it was put in dead ball territory? I saw this in a Mariners game just recently. Runner on, one out, pop fly down the first base line it drifted foul F9 caught it for the out then handed the ball to a kid in the stands. When he realized what he had done he ran back to the kid got the ball and threw it in. (I realize it's different but it's close and we won't go into the correct call here) I youth ball he could have put the ball into his gear bag just outside the dead ball line as a souvenir.


Item #2 I said that sense there was no appeal on the runnier missing home it was assumed he did make the touch and the run scored. Does the assumption of a missed base and no appeal only pertain to the basses?

rex

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Rex:

Don't make a moutain of this now.

1. In the OBR a fielder may make a catch of a batted ball inside the dugout, even though the dugout is dead ball territory. It's just a rule.

2. If a fielder does not delibeately carry the ball to dead ball territory to gain an advantage, the ball remains alive. It's just the way the OBR works.

3. If the catcher had tagged home and said "Blue, he misseed the base," we wouldn't have had a play beause the runner would have been out on appeal. It's just a rule. The run counts in this instance only because the runner beat the throw back to the base.

If afrter the runner enters the dugout there is a pitch or a play, then the runner is considered to have touched the plate and, as you say, the run counts.

Hey, if this business of umpiring were easy, anybody could do it. (grin)


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Papa C
Editor, eUmpire