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ODJ Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock
Do you think they got it wrong?

It's short-season Penn League. These PBUC-baby umpires were so fresh you could smell the baby powder on their butts. [Not for long, I'm sure.] ;)

cshs81 Fri Jun 20, 2008 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives
In OBR each can switch once.


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I was looking at the rulebook and can't find the above. Can you point me in the right direction?

Rich Ives Fri Jun 20, 2008 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by cshs81
I was looking at the rulebook and can't find the above. Can you point me in the right direction?


PBUC Manual (2004) Section 6.15

jwwashburn Fri Jun 20, 2008 05:10pm

MLB.com has a longer clip
 
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806202968278

SAump Fri Jun 20, 2008 06:44pm

OBR's Ambi-pambi Ruling
 
This ambidextrous sitch no longer falls in the category of TWP discussion.
Was this 1 of about 234 original OBR rulebook errors that may be corrected anytime soon?

TussAgee11 Fri Jun 20, 2008 07:20pm

Check out the pitcher after the batter switches for the 1st time. He turns behind him and sticks up a finger towards somebody, almost indicating "he can only switch once right?"

Seems like he knew what was up and the umpires didn't, but eventually got it right.

MrUmpire Sat Jun 21, 2008 09:55am

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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
Check out the pitcher after the batter switches for the 1st time. He turns behind him and sticks up a finger towards somebody, almost indicating "he can only switch once right?"

Seems like he knew what was up and the umpires didn't, but eventually got it right.

According to a local AA umpire, the umpires knew that rule. The debate was over what constituted the beginning of the "at-bat"...who had to be in position first, from which point the counting of switches would begin. Since pitchers are often don't take the until the batter enters the box, they went with the batter committing first, the opposite of the FED requirement.

According to the national press, PBUC and MLB are working on a unified clarification.

cshs81 Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:07am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives
PBUC Manual (2004) Section 6.15

Who has to commit first?

justanotherblue Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:54am

Rich is correct, the PBUC manual covers the ambidextrous pitcher. Each may change once. Remember this is for an amdidextrous pitcher only. A batter facing a right or left hand pitcher (non-ambidedtrous) can take a pitch from one side of the plate, switch, and switch again for the last strike before he's K'd. As long as he doesn't disconcert the pitcher.

SAump Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:49pm

One Phone Call Away
 
Quote:

cshs81
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives
PBUC Manual (2004) Section 6.15
Who has to commit first?
The pitcher. Teams declare all pitchers on a team roster as either a RHP or LHP before the season starts.
The pitcher. Manager declares their choice of pitcher on a line-up card from team roster before the game starts.
The pitcher. Ambi-pitcher declares himself as either a RHP or LHP during warm-up pitches before the inning starts.
Now I see this question has already been answered by Mr. Ives {post#7}

Ambidextrous pitcher vs hitter has been a topic on this website. Perhaps our elder spokesmen will answer that question, or perhaps share some ideas as to why it may have never "appeared" in OBR after so much FED/NCAA discussion on the topic.
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Originally Posted by MrUmpire
According to a local AA umpire, the umpires knew that rule. The debate was over what constituted the beginning of the "at-bat"...who had to be in position first, from which point the counting of switches would begin. Since pitchers are often don't take the until the batter enters the box, they went with the batter committing first, the opposite of the FED requirement.

According to the national press, PBUC and MLB are working on a unified clarification.

Why did the MiLB umpires contradict previous FED/NCAA rulings? Very few of us have worked a game w/ an ambidextrous pitcher. Admitting a mistake was made by understanding "who must switch first" controls the pace of the game. I look forward to PBUC and MLB working on a unified clarification.

mbyron Sat Jun 21, 2008 03:03pm

If I were rewriting the interp, it would go like this:

1. The batter must step into the box first (consistent with existing rule).
2. The pitcher must then take the mound as either LH or RH.
3. The batter may then request time and switch to the other batter's box.
4. Neither may switch again during the at bat.

I think this procedure (a) moves the game along (b) allows the pitcher to choose how he will face a switch hitter (c) gives the offense the last choice, consistent a switch hitter's usual advantage.

w_sohl Sat Jun 21, 2008 03:08pm

Make the Pitcher choose first...
 
he already has the advantage

BigTex Sat Jun 21, 2008 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by w_sohl
he already has the advantage

The pitcher is throwing a $5 baseball, the batter is swinging a $350 bat. Who has the advantage?

BigUmp56 Sat Jun 21, 2008 05:44pm

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Originally Posted by BigTex
The pitcher is throwing a $5 baseball, the batter is swinging a $350 bat. Who has the advantage?

The Ash and Maple logging company.................

Tim.

MrUmpire Sat Jun 21, 2008 06:49pm

That's a balk
 
The first 2 minutes of this occurred during a live ball.

At 2:11 of this full length version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkPbJV2dffI the pitcher steps off the rubber foward towards the plate. A few seconds later the PU finally calls time.

Remember, there was a runner at first.

Where's the balk call?


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