Smitty Time!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Sometimes it is a shocker when you find out you're doing something wrong. Initially it can be hard to be told to do something a different way.

Tom, I would have had a bit more patience with this less experienced official. Give him a chance to change his attitude- afterall, he probably doesn't want to be a bad umpire.

Inexperienced umpires have no business copping an attitude with veteran umpires who are trying to help. A rookie or 2nd/3rd/4th year umpire should be like a sponge, absorbing everything his superiors (in ability) have to say, and not give smart aleck retorts when given instruction on how to improve. The good umpire prospects are the ones who keep their eyes and ears open and their mouths shut.

[mick]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Inexperienced umpires have no business copping an attitude with veteran umpires who are trying to help. A rookie or 2nd/3rd/4th year umpire should be like a sponge, absorbing everything his superiors (in ability) have to say, and not give smart aleck retorts when given instruction on how to improve. The good umpire prospects are the ones who keep their eyes and ears open and their mouths shut.

Yeah, they do Steve.
Just like the young bull moose, displaying the antlers in his first rut.
Whether they learn from the first gentle *combat* or from the following harder confrontations, it's quite a natural "show".

Eventually the young moose learns or has a perpetual headache, if not worse.

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Inexperienced umpires have no business copping an attitude with veteran umpires who are trying to help. A rookie or 2nd/3rd/4th year umpire should be like a sponge, absorbing everything his superiors (in ability) have to say, and not give smart aleck retorts when given instruction on how to improve. The good umpire prospects are the ones who keep their eyes and ears open and their mouths shut.

Nobody has to bow down to another umpire just because they are older or more experienced. Respect has to be earned.

[RPatrino]

Canada, respect is earned on the field, not in the parking lot or on a internet board expressing 'opinions'.

After every game I do, whether with an 'old vet' or a young "up and comer", I ask them to give me their 2 cents about my game. If I've worked with someone before I will ask them to concentrate on a particular thing I want to work on. I try to learn something from everyone I work with. I see things that I would like to add to my game, and I see things I would never do. I NEVER give anyone any advice unless I'm asked to do so.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Steve the whole keeping one's mouth shut comments are getting old. Nobody has to bow down to another umpire just because they are older or more experienced. Respect has to be earned.

Did you notice how Tom added emphasis to the young umpires comment? It was rude and uncalled for to ask for input and then argue about the input he'd received. I'd have been done with him myself.


Tim.

[Tom H.]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Steve the whole keeping one's mouth shut comments are getting old. Nobody has to bow down to another umpire just because they are older or more experienced. Respect has to be earned.

I would only remind that it was not my opinion that he disputed but rather accepted 2 man mechanics. Anyone is welcome to disagree with or debate my opinion (even though they are wrong ) any time. The BU in my post flatly told me that I was wrong and by inference that he already knew what the mechanic was.

I would ask you, Was he correct?

[BigUmp56]

He left you with two options, Tom. You could have found the red book on two man mechanics and shown him the error of his ways, or done exactly what you did depending on his demeanor. Knowing you as well as I do, I have to believe that you did the right thing in this situation. It's old news, but you really can't make a horse drink.................


Tim.

[canadaump6]

I would only remind that it was not my opinion that he disputed but rather accepted 2 man mechanics. Anyone is welcome to disagree with or debate my opinion (even though they are wrong ) any time. The BU in my post flatly told me that I was wrong and by inference that he already knew what the mechanic was.

I would ask you, Was he correct?

My post was addressed to Steve, but regardless, this umpire was not correct. I guess I would have had to be there to know the situation, but from your description it sounded like this umpire was naive rather than ignorant.

Did you notice how Tom added emphasis to the young umpires comment? It was rude and uncalled for to ask for input and then argue about the input he'd received. I'd have been done with him myself.


Tim.

Why should age have anything to do with the dialogue between umpires?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Why should age have anything to do with the dialogue between umpires?

I meant young to the trade, not young in years. In any vocation there's a certain amount of respect that's given to others senior in their job. The respect should be implied by their years of service. I would put to you that respect isn't earned, it's either there or lost by a show of consistent incompetency. You do as you wish in your career, and continue to expound to those senior to you that they must earn your respect. See how far it gets you.


Tim.

[mick]

Nuff said.
Contest over.