Neighborhood Play

[njdevs00cup]

Summer wood bat ball w/ American League rules (most of the players play at local colleges). As I was watching warm ups, I noticed neither middle infielder touching 2B. Do I allow the neighborhood play or does the player need to touch the bag?

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Summer wood bat ball w/ American League rules (most of the players play at local colleges). As I was watching warm ups, I noticed neither middle infielder touching 2B. Do I allow the neighborhood play or does the player need to touch the bag?

Please tell me that you only officiate children's ball! I would hate to think that you officiate on the 90' diamiond and are asking this question.

Yes, at this age level the "neighborhood play" is correct.

[mbyron]

What call were you looking to make during warm-ups?

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by mbyron

What call were you looking to make during warm-ups?

"Safe" in warm-ups, "out" in games.....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Please tell me that you only officiate children's ball! I would hate to think that you officiate on the 90' diamiond and are asking this question.

Yes, at this age level the "neighborhood play" is correct.

I only officiate HS and NCAA ball and I don't play the neighborhood anymore. Isn't the FPSR supposed to eliminate unpredictable takeout slides? If a fielder can't touch the base and get out of the way of a fielder sliding directly in, it's not my problem.

[PeteBooth]

From the OP

wood bat ball w/ American League rules

NO FPSR in Straight OBR

Therefore, are you going to allow the "neigborhood" in a game played by OBR rules?

Pete Booth

[Rich]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

From the OP

wood bat ball w/ American League rules

NO FPSR in Straight OBR

Therefore, are you going to allow the "neigborhood" in a game played by OBR rules?

Pete Booth

I'm not going to look for a missed base, but if it slaps me in the face, I'm going to call the runner safe. FPSR or no FPSR.

[CO ump]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

From the OP

wood bat ball w/ American League rules

NO FPSR in Straight OBR

Therefore, are you going to allow the "neigborhood" in a game played by OBR rules?

Pete Booth

Pete,
Is there any amateur baseball league, regardless of rule set, that does not play with some sort of modified FPSR?
Unless you are doing pro ball F4 and F6 are protected by rule. I don't think we need to be further coddling them. If we're going to make R1 live by the rules we ought to make F4/F6 live by the rules.

[LMan]

this discussion appears to be veering away from the 'call the game they expect' by Mr Porter (IIRC, my memory may be hazy) article we are familiar with. Would that be the case?

Would you call a breaking ball in the dirt (with dust cloud) a strike, if you thought it crossed the batter's front knee?

Would you call a strike if F2 set up his mitt 2 balls (or pick your personal limit) outside and F1 nailed it with a fastball?

Just asking...I'm mildly surprised at who's arguing which POV here.

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Please tell me that you only officiate children's ball! I would hate to think that you officiate on the 90' diamiond and are asking this question.

Yes, at this age level the "neighborhood play" is correct.

Why do you have to be a JA and include the comment? FED rules protect the middle infielders. I made it clear that I was asking the question because this league uses American League slide rules and these are college players. BTW I umpired an entire HS season and the middle infielders touched the base every time!

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Why do you have to be a JA and include the comment? FED rules protect the middle infielders. I made it clear that I was asking the question because this league uses American League slide rules and these are college players. BTW I umpired an entire HS season and the middle infielders touched the base every time!

Sigh! It amazes me how people with such thin skin survive in this business!

I officiate HS also and I rarely have the pivot man tounching the base. So I guess in different areas we have different results, don't we? Around here, the only people that touch the base on the DP is on LL fields and seeing as how I do not travel from State to State to "see how it's done there", I have to relate to what goes on here!

[bob jenkins]

I look at what I need to look at. If there's a reason to have to look to see if F4/6 touches the base (an off-line throw, a strange angle to the base, ...) I do so. If it's a routine play where R1 is out by 30', then I'm not paying the touch much attention.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I look at what I need to look at. If there's a reason to have to look to see if F4/6 touches the base (an off-line throw, a strange angel to the base, ...) I do so. If it's a routine play where R1 is out by 30', then I'm not paying the touch much attention.

Ed Zachary. Just don't have a wide throw pulling the fielder 2 feet off the base so he can turn it and then argue for a neighborhood play at second.

It's the same at first base. If the BR is out by 15 feet, I don't really care if F3 pulls away early on a true throw. Now, if the play is a whacker, then F3 better stay there until the throw hits the glove.

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Sigh! It amazes me how people with such thin skin survive in this business!

We get disrespected enough by coaches, players and fans. We don't need to disrespect each other for trying to get it right!

[Tim C]

I offer respect to only those that deserve it. Respect is earned not given.

Regards,