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jkumpire Tue Jun 03, 2008 09:13pm
Why just dump people?
 
If I am PU, the game is a forfeit.

I have this happen to me once, and if it ever happens again, somebody had better have very competent legal counsel.

If you read this thread, you will actually find two people trying to justify the actions of these two punks: http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=10;t=001448

Disgusting.

waltjp Tue Jun 03, 2008 09:30pm
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Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
Walt - to me it looked like PU was willing to shake it off and give them the benefit of the doubt. Of course, he couldn't see what F2 did.
I wonder how he feels NOW if he sees the slo-mo replay
Four-man crew I think. There were 3 other umps who were there and saw it all. If they don't pull the string themselves they should have told the PU exactly what they saw and let him toss them. If I'm working the bases and witness something like this I'll give my partner a moment to collect his thoughts and do the right thing but if he doesn't I will.

TussAgee11 Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:14pm
I can understand that it might be difficult for PU to realize what has happened. He's just tracking a pitch.

If anyone has had this happen to them before, did you know it right when it happened? Did you get some help from BU to assure yourself of what you think happened?

DG Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:30pm
I have been hit directly in the mask before and there was no situation to make be believe it was intentional. Catcher just sucked.

In this case, given the situation and the catcher's reaction I got two ejections immediate, and another coming depending on reaction of the HC. If he comes out apologizing he stays, if he comes out arguing he's gone.

jkumpire Wed Jun 04, 2008 07:25am
Yes it has happened to me...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TussAgee11
I can understand that it might be difficult for PU to realize what has happened. He's just tracking a pitch.

If anyone has had this happen to them before, did you know it right when it happened? Did you get some help from BU to assure yourself of what you think happened?
In my case, I was a young umpire, and I was shocked more than anything else at first. Then when it hit me it was intentional, I got really, really mad, and that is when I started getting people, though instead of starting with F2, I started with F1, then F2, and then the manager...

jicecone Wed Jun 04, 2008 08:06am
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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
I can understand that it might be difficult for PU to realize what has happened. He's just tracking a pitch.

If anyone has had this happen to them before, did you know it right when it happened? Did you get some help from BU to assure yourself of what you think happened?
As stated before it happened twice to me and you know immediately because of what has taken place in the game.

Granted, the PU had to be blocked out from seeing the catcher actions completly but it is quite obvious he made no intention of catching that pitch. His partners should have noticed that right off and stepped up. Playoff or not, you should be able to discern what has happened and sending some people home, or I am questioning your experience to be selected for that type of game.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:44am
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Originally Posted by jkumpire
In my case, I was a young umpire, and I was shocked more than anything else at first. Then when it hit me it was intentional, I got really, really mad, and that is when I started getting people, though instead of starting with F2, I started with F1, then F2, and then the manager...
It happened to me in 2003 in a varsity HS game, but it wasn't as obvious as the catcher ducking the pitch. Plus, I really had no proof or backup from my dillweed partner, who just stood out at his position studying the daisies. The previous inning there was a close play at the plate that went against this team. The next inning the pitcher threw a fastball inside which missed the catcher's mitt by a couple inches and nailed me on the right forearm (I was in the slot in the scissors with a RH batter). I knew it was intentional, but if I would have ran F2, F1 and the smug little coach, it would have gotten ugly and I would have been perceived as a red-a$$ hothead. I told the coach that I knew it was intentional, which he of course denied. I also told F2 that if he let another ball touch me again for any reason that he would be very sorry he had. The ball never came close to me the rest of the game.

I probably should have ran the trio, but as has been said before, the shock of the situation, that "I can't believe this just happened" feeling took over and by the time I figured it out the timing was all wrong for ejecting. I wish I had been working with a partner with backbone who would have stepped in and said "hey Steve, that looked intentional to me too, let's run some people here."

turnit Wed Jun 04, 2008 04:08pm
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...wild_0605.html


Seems fair.

mbyron Wed Jun 04, 2008 04:56pm
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Stephens head coach Mark Gosnell said Hill and pitcher Cody Martin denied planning to hit the umpire and said the passed ball was a result of a signaling mix-up on whether the pitch was to be a fastball or a curve.
Rat alert.

GoodScout Wed Jun 04, 2008 05:21pm
A $1,000 fine and probation for next season was the toughest penalty GHSA really could have meted out given the bylaws. Stephens County better watch itself next season, because every game report is going to be gone over with a fine tooth comb in the state office.

Oh, and now that I heard that Gatorade presented the pitcher with an award today, I'm switching to Powerade.

socalblue1 Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:09am
Looks like the school didn't convince anyone it was an accident ...

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...wild_0605.html

Dave Reed Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:37am
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Originally Posted by GoodScout
Oh, and now that I heard that Gatorade presented the pitcher with an award today, I'm switching to Powerade.
Actually, a Gatorade award was given to the shortstop of this particular game. His younger brother was on the mound.

The SS (who also has a 95mph heater) is expected to go in the first round of the draft tomorrow. Maybe that's why he wasn't ejected for throwing his helmet at the end of the previous inning.

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 05, 2008 01:06am
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
It happened to me in 2003 in a varsity HS game, but it wasn't as obvious as the catcher ducking the pitch. Plus, I really had no proof or backup from my dillweed partner, who just stood out at his position studying the daisies. The previous inning there was a close play at the plate that went against this team. The next inning the pitcher threw a fastball inside which missed the catcher's mitt by a couple inches and nailed me on the right forearm (I was in the slot in the scissors with a RH batter). I knew it was intentional, but if I would have ran F2, F1 and the smug little coach, it would have gotten ugly and I would have been perceived as a red-a$$ hothead. I told the coach that I knew it was intentional, which he of course denied. I also told F2 that if he let another ball touch me again for any reason that he would be very sorry he had. The ball never came close to me the rest of the game.

I probably should have ran the trio, but as has been said before, the shock of the situation, that "I can't believe this just happened" feeling took over and by the time I figured it out the timing was all wrong for ejecting. I wish I had been working with a partner with backbone who would have stepped in and said "hey Steve, that looked intentional to me too, let's run some people here."
Wow, I can't believe you didn't run the F1 and F2 if you knew it was intentional. Don't worry about the timing. Worry about getting your senses under you and making the right decision. I had F2 call time and go out and talk to his pitcher. The next pitch clipped me in the mask as the catcher let it go over his glove. It took me a couple of seconds to gauge the situation and I let the coach know he needed to replace both in the game as they had just been ejected. He started to argue, but I let him know right quick I wasn't in the mood and that he could go right with them if he so desired.

I might cut a little more slack on the arguing phase of the game, but when it comes to malicious contact or deliberately throwing at players or umpires, I pull the string quick and suddenly without any warning.

Blaming your partner for your failure to eject is a cop out in my opinion. I didn't worry one iota about my partner or his backbone. I made my call and earned much respect from my peers in doing so.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Jun 05, 2008 02:22am
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler
Wow, I can't believe you didn't run the F1 and F2 if you knew it was intentional. Don't worry about the timing. Worry about getting your senses under you and making the right decision. I had F2 call time and go out and talk to his pitcher. The next pitch clipped me in the mask as the catcher let it go over his glove. It took me a couple of seconds to gauge the situation and I let the coach know he needed to replace both in the game as they had just been ejected. He started to argue, but I let him know right quick I wasn't in the mood and that he could go right with them if he so desired.

I might cut a little more slack on the arguing phase of the game, but when it comes to malicious contact or deliberately throwing at players or umpires, I pull the string quick and suddenly without any warning.

Blaming your partner for your failure to eject is a cop out in my opinion. I didn't worry one iota about my partner or his backbone. I made my call and earned much respect from my peers in doing so.
Well, I've never been one to shy away from an ejection before, and I certainly did not need to earn any respect from my peers as I have had that for many years now.

I knew it was intentional by instinct, not by anything else. As I said, it was not an obvious thing, and everyone there would have told me I was overreacting had I ran them. If the battery had conspired as you described, or gave some Masonic signals to each other prior to the pitch, I would have run them. To everyone there, those who weren't even paying attention to the play at the plate the inning before (or making the connection between the two events), it had to look like an accident, because the participants made it look accidental. The story that this thread is about was obviously not accidental. In this case, F2 took a dive. You know that F2 didn't dive because he got crossed up. He dove to make sure he didn't get in the way. In my case, the ball just flew past the catcher's target by a couple inches. Very different situation.

It certainly is good to see that you now are ejecting people. I was starting to worry. Keep it up and you'll catch up with me in 10-20 years.:)

mbyron Thu Jun 05, 2008 08:08am
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Originally Posted by Dave Reed
The SS (who also has a 95mph heater) is expected to go in the first round of the draft tomorrow. Maybe that's why he wasn't ejected for throwing his helmet at the end of the previous inning.
That's a good theory. He's like Chrysler: too big to fail. :rolleyes:


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