Plate Problems...

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

GD is a system, not a stance. I use heel toe in the slot using GD. Arm length from the catcher, solid lock in with right arm on knee. GD is not a position or a stance, its a system. General guidelines.

You have a misunderstanding of the GD Stance {Gerry's terminology...others have since referred to it as a system since it incorporates what we consider a stance with positioning and posture.) The GD "system" does not utilize heel/toe, is set back much farther from the catcher, and does not have one rest his arm on his knee.

By your description, you are not using the GD stance. You are using the tusagee11 stance.

See: http://childress.officiating.com/?d=...vis+Part+I.pdf

and

http://childress.officiating.com/?d=...is+Part+II.pdf

[johnnyg08]

on the left handed hitter it looks like you're still working in the RHB slot? Is that right?

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

on the left handed hitter it looks like you're still working in the RHB slot? Is that right?

No, I just assumed RHB.

Reverse it for LHB.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You have a misunderstanding of the GD Stance {Gerry's terminology...others have since referred to it as a system since it incorporates what we consider a stance with positioning and posture.) The GD "system" does not utilize heel/toe, is set back much farther from the catcher, and does not have one rest his arm on his knee.

By your description, you are not using the GD stance. You are using the tusagee11 stance.

See: http://childress.officiating.com/?d=...vis+Part+I.pdf

and

http://childress.officiating.com/?d=...is+Part+II.pdf

While I would agree that GD has hands on both knees, it can be used either in heel toe or balanced. Therefore, its not a stance, it is a position...

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

While I would agree that GD has hands on both knees, it can be used either in heel toe or balanced. Therefore, its not a stance, it is a position...

Make up your mind. First, its not a stance it's a system and now it's not a stance, it's a position.

You don't seem to understand. I'll make one last attempt.

If you aren't using the prescribed posture/stance of the GD System (which by your description, you aren't), and if you aren't using the prescribed distance/positioning behind the catcher of the GD System, (which by your description, you aren't) then you are not using the GD System.

Calling a dog a cat doesn't make it a cat.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Make up your mind. First, its not a stance it's a system and now it's not a stance, it's a position.

You don't seem to understand. I'll make one last attempt.

If you aren't using the prescribed posture/stance of the GD System (which by your description, you aren't), and if you aren't using the prescribed distance/positioning behind the catcher of the GD System, (which by your description, you aren't) then you are not using the GD System.

Calling a dog a cat doesn't make it a cat.

I've maintained throughout the thread that GD is a system, not a stance.

I do maintain arms length behind the catcher. I don't know where you got the idea that I wasn't. I mentioned I moved closer to the catcher in the OP, but I did not mention how close I got.

I am using the GD system, just not the prescribed stance that is most seen with it (blanced). I use heel toe. It does not mean I am not using GD system. I see every pitch the same way, I am locked in to the same head height every pitch, I have distance between me and catcher.

I think it is you who is calling a dog a cat... but will give way if any more experienced members of the forum wish to chime in on it differently.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

... but will give way if any more experienced members of the forum wish to chime in on it differently.

It just doesn't matter Tuss, use a Gerry Davis , Frank Sinature, Dean Martin or Chubby Checkers stance, but find out what works for YOU, and go with it.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jicecone

It just doesn't matter Tuss, use a Gerry Davis , Frank Sinature, Dean Martin or Chubby Checkers stance, but find out what works for YOU, and go with it.

Who the hell is Frank Sinature?

[danreeves1973]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Who the hell is Frank Sinature?

Big star back in the day in Loss Vehgas.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Who the hell is Frank Sinature?

Used to hang out with Dean Martini and Sammy Dasie

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

I've maintained throughout the thread that GD is a system, not a stance.

"Therefore, its not a stance, it is a position..." TussAgee11

I do maintain arms length behind the catcher. I don't know where you got the idea that I wasn't. I mentioned I moved closer to the catcher in the OP, but I did not mention how close I got.

Gerry Davis describes his system as requiring at least four to six feet distance behind the catcher and utilizing a "wrestling stance."

I am using the GD system, just not the prescribed stance that is most seen with it (blanced). I use heel toe. It does not mean I am not using GD system. I see every pitch the same way, I am locked in to the same head height every pitch, I have distance between me and catcher.

No, you are not using the GD System. You aren't even using enough of the original (From a Gerry Davis clinic in 2002: feet squared, hands on knees, four to six feet behind the catcher, higher head set) to be considered a variation of a GD stance.

You can use whatever stance and positioning you want. It's just that when you claim to be using the GD and then describe something alien to it, you are confusing.

[RPatrino]

Tuss, the GD system, as I was taught it (by some guys named Davis and Ehret) advocates an aggressive slot position which means that you might seem a bit exposed at times. The upside of this is that you will always have a good, clear view of the outside corner and low pitches. If you creep back toward the catcher and get too low, the catcher is probably blocking your view of the outside corner and low pitch.

It is my personal opinion that you are never adequately locked in using just one hand/arm to lock. That's just my opinion, your mileage may vary. The GD system does not advocate a heel/toe relationship nor the wrapping of an arm in front of your stomach. The key to making the GD work is to be balanced and solid in your stance, consistent in your head height for a pitch to pitch view that never varies between batters, and relaxed so that you can use your eyes properly.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

The GD system does not advocate a heel/toe relationship nor the wrapping of an arm in front of your stomach.

I would agree that the wrapping of the arm is something that I do differently with my stance. A clinician taught us this way, and in order to please him and hope to move up in the association, I adopted it.

However, Carl Childress points out under the title Balanced or Heal-Toe"The beauty of the System is that the experienced slot umpire can use either stance."

And I would also agree with your theory on being exposed more using GD. Experimented today back to hands on both knees, and took a nice shiner to the left forearm to a right handed batter. Came home and assumed the stance in a mirror, elbow was tucked in nicely. Happens I guess.

[RPatrino]

Tuss, good that you are now putting both hands on your knees. Bad you got hit in the forearm, if I had a dime ....well you know the rest!! Have someone look at you while working the GD, (hopefully another GD user) and have them confirm that you are in the slot and not drifting back over toward the catcher. The reason I say this is, in 'normal' circumstances your left arm should be relatively protected by the RHB, and unless the pitch was inside and the batter moved, you shouldn't be getting hit there with regularity.

So, continue to work on it, don't give up and you will soon be able to call pitches that you might have not been seeing before.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

I think it is you who is calling a dog a cat... but will give way if any more experienced members of the forum wish to chime in on it differently.

FWIW, and since you asked, I agree with Mr Umpire on this point.

You are borrowing some items from GD, and some items from somewhere else to develop your own stance. That's not bad (I do it, too), it's just confusing to me (and apparently others) when you describe it as "GD system".