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[thumpferee]

HS, PV, Home Team down 8-7, top 7.

Play at the plate. Catcher blocking the BACK half of the plate, throw lil' hi, catches ball during the slide (almost OBS with new rule), Runners feet touch the front half of the plate as catcher tags him above the waist. No-Brainer, right?

Assist. Coach takes 4 steps out of the dugout toward me, 15 ft away, and yelled, "you gotta be kidding me" as we threw his hands up with the scorebook in one hand

BING! I tossed him before he put his hands down. I might have heard "me" after I threw my hands up pointing to the stands.

As I tossed him, F3 threw his glove over the call, BING! My partner tosses him.

Fans start hollaring at my p about his ejection, he threatened to clear the stands.lol

We both elected to only restrict both, didn't feel like doing paperwork.

After the game lady come walking toward us, and she was walkin', asking my partner for his name. I stop her and let her know we have nothing to say to her and if there is anything she wants to know to call our Commish.

AD is there and helps get her away.

And this was two religious private varsity schools, go figure.

Haven't had that much excitement in a while.

Thanks for listening!

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

HS, PV, Home Team down 8-7, top 7.

Play at the plate. Catcher blocking the BACK half of the plate, throw lil' hi, catches ball during the slide (almost OBS with new rule), Runners feet touch the front half of the plate as catcher tags him above the waist. No-Brainer, right?

Assist. Coach takes 4 steps out of the dugout toward me, 15 ft away, and yelled, "you gotta be kidding me" as we threw his hands up with the scorebook in one hand

BING! I tossed him before he put his hands down. I might have heard "me" after I threw my hands up pointing to the stands.

As I tossed him, F3 threw his glove over the call, BING! My partner tosses him.

Fans start hollaring at my p about his ejection, he threatened to clear the stands.lol

We both elected to only restrict both, didn't feel like doing paperwork.

After the game lady come walking toward us, and she was walkin', asking my partner for his name. I stop her and let her know we have nothing to say to her and if there is anything she wants to know to call our Commish.

AD is there and helps get her away.

And this was two religious private varsity schools, go figure.

Haven't had that much excitement in a while.

Thanks for listening!

I'm not sure if I would have tossed the AC that quickly. I would have directed him to return to the dugout. If he choose to keep coming at me, that's when further action could have become necessary. It's a judgment call.

F3 throwing his glove was a good reason for the bench restriction. As long as there was no further UC on f3's part I would not have ejected him.

Our commissioner wants an incident report on dugout restrictions also so paperwork would have happened either way.

Nice job handling the lady, it's nice when an AD can help with the Riff-Raff.

[DG]

My state has rules for ejections (paperwork) vs restrictions (no paper). For both of these restriction is the rule and should have been quick for both, AC and player. AC's have no place complaining.

[BretMan]

Restriction to the bench or ejection, at the umpire's discretion, are the only two penalties for an arguing coach.

But "unejecting" someone you've already given the heave-ho just makes you look bad. They either deserved to go or they did not, and waffling just makes it look like you don't know what you're doing.

The penalty for deliberately throwing equipment is ejection. Restriction is not one of the options listed in the rule book. You guys just made that one up on the spot.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

HS, PV, Home Team down 8-7, top 7.

Play at the plate. Catcher blocking the BACK half of the plate, throw lil' hi, catches ball during the slide (almost OBS with new rule), Runners feet touch the front half of the plate as catcher tags him above the waist. No-Brainer, right?

Assist. Coach takes 4 steps out of the dugout toward me, 15 ft away, and yelled, "you gotta be kidding me" as we threw his hands up with the scorebook in one hand

BING! I tossed him before he put his hands down. I might have heard "me" after I threw my hands up pointing to the stands.

As I tossed him, F3 threw his glove over the call, BING! My partner tosses him.

Fans start hollaring at my p about his ejection, he threatened to clear the stands.lol

We both elected to only restrict both, didn't feel like doing paperwork.

SNIPPED

If you are playing under FED rules (you stated HS game), you always must be clear on the termination of players and coaches. Under FED, you may restrict and ejection (on the bus) is a secondary step. So if you call an ejection, that means you bypassed the 1st step. You should never "step back" and ejection - if you eject, they have to go on the bus. Don't let the burdon of paperwork cause you to change your mind. The more paperwork your State gets on jacka$$ coaches and players, the cleaner the future will become! The paperwork is there to help you!

Now, a difference here in CT is players may not be ejected, they must remain in the dugout under the HC's supervision, per the CIAC (Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference). By the way, most of the Private Religious Schools here in CT opt to play by NCAA rules and not FED. So there is only one way for an ejection to work -- on the bus, period!

Next, never, never, never address the crowd! They are not part of the game or part of your jurisdiction (I don't give a $hit what the rulebook says!). You have no backing (even if the rules say you do) when you push your jurisdiction past the fence. Have the home HC or the TD handle problems outside the fence or clear the field and call 911.

Lastly, you could have had a little fun with the assistant coach before you tossed him. I know I do! I always dangle the noose in front of them and let them put their own necks in it!

[jkumpire]

Maybe I am missing something, but in FED there is no dugout restriction for players is there?

You can eject a player, and if he cannot be supervised by someone outside the bench he can be left in the dugout, but there is no "bench restriction" for a player like you can do to a coach.

So in this case, F3 is ejected, period. Right?

Excuse me if I am not reading something I should be here.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Maybe I am missing something, but in FED there is no dugout restriction for players is there?

You can eject a player, and if he cannot be supervised by someone outside the bench he can be left in the dugout, but there is no "bench restriction" for a player like you can do to a coach.

So in this case, F3 is ejected, period. Right?

Excuse me if I am not reading something I should be here.

You are correct.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Maybe I am missing something, but in FED there is no dugout restriction for players is there?

As Bob said NO. HOWEVER, even if a teenager gets Ejected, and it's a player on the visiting team, you cannot expect the kid to wander off "someplace" so IN EFFECT he will be restricted to the bench/dugout area because he has no where else to go unless his parents/ legal guardian attended the game and can bring him home.

Pete Booth

[jkumpire]

Yeah, I know, I was just trying to throw in a reminder to the conversation that I thought was being missed.

John

[RPatrino]

You can always eject an assitant coach to supervise the player in the bus.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Next, never, never, never address the crowd!

A-frackin'-men!

I'm continually amazed by how many umpires get into pissing contests with fans or even end up ejecting them. What the heck are these guys thinking? Unless a spectator is somehow preventing me from doing my job, which would be tough to do, or unless I'm somehow physically threatened by one (rare as well--and I'm talking about a bonafide threat, BTW), I ignore a fan.

[aceholleran]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

After the game lady come walking toward us, and she was walkin', asking my partner for his name. I stop her and let her know we have nothing to say to her and if there is anything she wants to know to call our Commish.

I once dumped a head coach when there were only a couple of outs left in a game. After the fray, my pard and I hustled past disgruntled fans into a press box, where we were got changed.

Just when I thought things were safe, I started toward my car and was accosted by an angry mom. "I want your name so I can report you to your commissioner."

"Palermo. Steve Palermo," I said. "P-A-L-E-R-M-O."

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

"Palermo. Steve Palermo," I said. "P-A-L-E-R-M-O."

Your post made me smile at the memory of the time a very disgruntled lady fan approached my partner and me after a game, demanding to know our names.

We very politely told her and spelled out our names for her, and she wrote them down on her little notepad:

Partner: Doug Harvey

Me: Harry Wendelstedt

[mbyron]

Here's another possibility: Doug Eddings.

[thumpferee]

This was a Private Varsity game. They play Fed but there is no extended play as far as I know, such as playoffs, state, etc. It was my second game calling for this league.

I also found out after the game no reports are even necessary for ejections, wish I knew that then. But I do agree with those who said don't restrict after ejection. The thing was, I was quick to pull the trigger, but thinking back on it, I would be just as quick with any AC who comes out on me like that. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and restricted him because I'm sure he never got tossed that fast before and probably didn't even know he could be ejected for his actions.

As far as the player, that was my P's decision.

I do have a question regarding restrictions. I am not aware of a mechanic to get your point across when restricting. How would you restrict?

Could you still give the your gone point and just say "you're restricted" instead of "you're gone"?