HR or not?

[BaBa Booey]

Fly ball to LF, hits off the top of the fence (chain link fence that has that plastic yellow tubing on top) bounces up in the air back towards the field. F7 is running hard toward the fence, and deflects the ball back over the fence. What's your call?

[bossman72]

I think FED has a case play that says this is a double. In OBR, we'll call it a home run. I'm not totally sure though.

[charliej47]

A ball deflected out of play in fair territory is a double. The rules states 'ball hits the top of the fence and goes over is a HR'. - Sorry I did not read the whole OP the first time.

[bossman72]

8.3.3 H

[bob jenkins]

Double in all rules codes.

[lawump]

In OBR...a batted ball that hits an outfield wall (in fair territory) and then hits a fielder and then goes over the outfield fence into DBT is a double...not a home run.

A batted ball that hits the top of the fence and then goes over the wall (without hitting a fielder) is a homerun.

[Maz17]

OBR... that is a batted ball, IN FLIGHT STILL... Home Run!

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Maz17

OBR... that is a batted ball, IN FLIGHT STILL... Home Run!

To which situation are you referring?

If the ball hit the fence it is no longer in flight.

[KHack]

Double for sure after it struck the fence cap.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by BaBa Booey

Fly ball to LF, hits off the top of the fence (chain link fence that has that plastic yellow tubing on top) bounces up in the air back towards the field. F7 is running hard toward the fence, and deflects the ball back over the fence. What's your call?

All baseball rules codes: Ground Rule Double.

What was your call?

[BaBa Booey]

I called it a ground rule double. I didn't have a rule / case book handy when I got home, but I was pretty sure once it hit the fence it was no longer in flight.

The coach argued that it was the same as Jose Canseco knocking the ball over the fence, but that ball WAS still in flight as it hadn't hit anything before hitting Jose in the head.

Thanks for the responses!

[bossman72]

Yeah, the order matters.

Hits fence, then person, then out - ground rule double.

Hits person, then fence, then out - homer!

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

All baseball rules codes: Ground Rule Double.

What was your call?

Actually I don't know any code that calls this a "Ground Rule Double". This is a double by rule, but not a ground rule. Remember ground rules are set up to handle unusual situations that are presented by abnormalities in the field of play and surrounding conditions.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

Actually I don't know any code that calls this a "Ground Rule Double". This is a double by rule, but not a ground rule. Remember ground rules are set up to handle unusual situations that are presented by abnormalities in the field of play and surrounding conditions.

Oh come on, common parlance labels a two-base award a "ground rule double." This is not a nit worth picking, and demonstrates no superior knowledge of the game.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Oh come on, common parlance labels a two-base award a "ground rule double." This is not a nit worth picking, and demonstrates no superior knowledge of the game.

I was not trying to demonstrate superior knowledge of the game at all. Rather my point was that it is important to realize the difference. Maybe a discussion for another thread, but some fields/stadiums have pecularities that cannot be answered by rule thus ground rules cover the gaps. This, however, is something that is covered in the rules, should be ruled on accordingly and cannot be set aside by a ground rule.