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[CO ump]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I think that the crew in the video screwed up so badly that it's pointless to debate whether to toss this coach.

Did you mean crew or UIC? Prior to ejection I see nothing wrong with BU actions.
Some say he should have been closer during the confrontation but I disagree.
On the audio we kept hearing everyone yelling to check with the other umpire and I'm sure the coach was asking for that as well. If BU came in closer it would give the appearance that either he wanted to say something or would fuel the fire even more if BU was so close and UIC still did not ask for help. In this situation I think the BU was very discerning.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CO ump

Did you mean crew or UIC? Prior to ejection I see nothing wrong with BU actions.
Some say he should have been closer during the confrontation but I disagree.
On the audio we kept hearing everyone yelling to check with the other umpire and I'm sure the coach was asking for that as well. If BU came in closer it would give the appearance that either he wanted to say something or would fuel the fire even more if BU was so close and UIC still did not ask for help. In this situation I think the BU was very discerning.

When the chant "get some help" started, BU turned and headed for his position in short right-field. Around here, that's a sign for "I got nothing to help you."

My crticism of BU would center on his technique of herding the coach off the field. I think it was more than what was required and looked somewhat comical.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by GarthB

When the chant "get some help" started, BU turned and headed for his position in short right-field. Around here, that's a sign for "I got nothing to help you."

My crticism of BU would center on his technique of herding the coach off the field. I think it was more than what was required and looked somewhat comical.

I agree. It started out well (he came in when PU turned away), but went too far (once the coach went past the foul line, or so, BU should have stayed put (to stop the coach from returning) and just watched him leave).

If I were BU and IF I saw the ball on the ground (with no signal from PU that he saw it too), I would have come in immediately.

[CO ump]

Originally Posted by GarthB

My crticism of BU would center on his technique of herding the coach off the field. I think it was more than what was required and looked somewhat comical.

I agree.
I was giving BU props for staying away pre ejection.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Garth:

he paid the price by getting dumped.

This is what I don't understand. The price he paid (getting dumped) is the consequence for his behavior, not the price for sticking around and continuing to vent. He is no longer a participant and as such, has no right to be on the field or vent at me.

You're an aspiring law student. Try this:

When a judge, who has had enough crap from someone in his courtroom orders the bailiff to remove him, doe he say: "But wait a minute, he's paid the price, let him stick around for a few seconds and vent at me first."

I don't think so.

Many times, when I see umpires allow an ejected coach to stick around and have his say, the situation goes from bad to worse with the coach showing up the umpire(s) and further delaying the game. What part of that is positive?

I know at the pro level managers are apt to yell "I paid my five bucks, I'm gonna get my money's worth." Even at that level, you'll see umpires who will continue to argue with him and those who will walk away and let their partners do their job. The ones that walk away seem to have shorter interruptions in the game and fewer antics by the managers.

I don't don't work proball, not even as a fill-in anymore. I'm not there to let some clown entertain the crowd. I'm there to work a baseball game. An ejected coach may stay a bit too long on the field acting out, but not with me participating.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Many times, when I see umpires allow an ejected coach to stick around and have his say, the situation goes from bad to worse with the coach showing up the umpire(s) and further delaying the game. What part of that is positive?

Depends, if the coach is showing his *** and the umpire is showing his class...

I'm not there to let some clown entertain the crowd. I'm there to work a baseball game. An ejected coach may stay a bit too long on the field acting out, but not with me participating.

Correct and atw hat point do you interact with the coach to remind him that his continued presence = GAME OVER.

Ah, yes, not talked about here, the ultimate and only real weapon and amateur ump has. Forfeit.

I have a very simple way, a mechanic, which works very well. If I am PU and the talk isover, I assume my position behind the plate, helmet on, waive to F1 to begin to pitch. What? Coach not gon yet? Time called, helmet off, approach Coach and lay down the ultimatum.

"Coach, I am going to resume my position behind the plate and restart this game. If you have not exited the (sight, field, w/e is required by an ejection) by the time I call "Play", this game is over."

Then do it.

If I am BU, same scenario less helmet and with a handoff point to PU to restart play.
I hear a lt of bravado about not playing with the clowns and all that crap but not once has anyone come forward with a CURE for the recalcitrant coach. There is only one cure.

Dump him then dump then game.

[PeteBooth]

I believe it was Garth who gave us a link of a confrontation between Tom Haller and Earl Weaver.

Earl was dumped but as the energizer bunny kept going and going and going. Haller tried to get away but Earl wouldn't let him.

However, that is PRO ball and IMO you cannot compare PRO ball to amateur ball.

Nothing good can follow when you allow a coach to "continue" after he has been dumped. If he was civil to begin with he would not have been dumped. Why continue to allow the coach to yell obsentities sarcasm's etc. To me it makes no sense.

You said after you dump the coach

then stand and listen for 5-10 seconds,

My question is this:

Then why bothering dumping him if you are going to listen to him. Either dump him get the game moving or "take it" and delay the game even more.

Now what if you have an incident with the "other' coach and have to dump him. Does that mean you also give him his due as well.

When the coach is dumped he's dumped and deserves no more attention.

Pete Booth

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

I believe it was Garth who gave us a link of a confrontation between Tom Haller and Earl Weaver.

Bill Haller was the umpire. Tom Haller was a catcher.

[PeteBooth]

Thanks Garth I always got those 2 mixed up.

Pete Booth