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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:57pm
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So what's wrong with that statement? Tie does go to the runner. See FED 8.4.1f. By definition the fielder must make the play on the runner/batter-runner BEFORE they reach the respective base. A tie implies the same time. Of course there are those who say a tie isn't possible. They are two mutually exclusive events and can occur at the same time.

f. after a dropped third strike (see 8-4-1e) or a fair hit, if the ball held by any fielder touches the batter before the batter touches first base; or if any fielder, while holding the ball in his grasp, touches first base or touches first base with the ball before the batter-runner touches first base:
The problem is that you didn't read 8.4.2


Art. 2... Any runner is out when he:

i. does not retouch his base before a fielder tags him out or holds the ball while touching such base after any situation (8-2-1, 2-3 and 4). Umpire may also call him out at end of playing action upon proper and successful appeal. Also, it is not necessary for runner to retouch his base after a foul tip (2-16-2); or

j. fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base, after runner has been forced from the base he occupied because the batter became a runner (with ball in play) when other runners were on first base, or on first and second, or on first, second and third. There shall be no accidental appeals on a force play.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 03:29pm
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The problem is that you didn't read 8.4.2


Art. 2... Any runner is out when he:

i. does not retouch his base before a fielder tags him out or holds the ball while touching such base after any situation (8-2-1, 2-3 and 4). Umpire may also call him out at end of playing action upon proper and successful appeal. Also, it is not necessary for runner to retouch his base after a foul tip (2-16-2); or

j. fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base, after runner has been forced from the base he occupied because the batter became a runner (with ball in play) when other runners were on first base, or on first and second, or on first, second and third. There shall be no accidental appeals on a force play.
Or how about 8.2.8: A runner acquires the right to the proper unoccupied base if he touches it before he is out (tie goes to the fielder).
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 03:44pm
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"call it both ways"

After giving this matter considerable thought, prompted by many of the posted responses, I will now deal differently with these words. Thanks for the input.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 05:19pm
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I missed a curve ball (it was high - just over the belt - I called it a strike). That was a 4th year umpire mistake. I hope to do better next year.

What's wrong with a belt high hook?
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 05:32pm
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So what's wrong with that statement? Tie does go to the runner. See FED 8.4.1f. By definition the fielder must make the play on the runner/batter-runner BEFORE they reach the respective base. A tie implies the same time. Of course there are those who say a tie isn't possible. They are two mutually exclusive events and can occur at the same time.

f. after a dropped third strike (see 8-4-1e) or a fair hit, if the ball held by any fielder touches the batter before the batter touches first base; or if any fielder, while holding the ball in his grasp, touches first base or touches first base with the ball before the batter-runner touches first base:
There are not ties, the runner is either safe or the runner is out. When the crowd "sees" a tie...many, many, times it's an out, because it's not really a tie. I think you might just be trying to stir the pot though...so I'm only partially biting.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 05:35pm
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I'm pretty sure the height of the pitch at the point it crosses the plate as you describe it is a strike in many, many leagues...but I'm not really into discussing balls and strikes through words...video clips maybe...but probably not that either.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 07:53pm
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What's wrong with a belt high hook?
If it croseed the plate belt high, nothing. However, if the catcher caught it belt high, it was very likely up.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 08:06pm
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If it croseed the plate belt high, nothing. However, if the catcher caught it belt high, it was very likely up.
What if it was a rising curveball?
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2008, 01:02pm
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TxUmp: I don't allow anyone on the field to use the phrase "Call it both ways, Blue!"

Amen. Actually had a coach send his captain out at half-time of a basketball game and say words that effect. I lit the coach up. It was bad enough for the coach to say it, but to have a high school kid do it on his behalf is way out of line.

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Old Sat Jan 26, 2008, 06:53pm
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What if it was a rising curveball?
Better to refer this question to our resident "Rising Fastball" expert.
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Old Sun Jan 27, 2008, 05:04pm
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Steball is a 3rd year mistake?

I think that would make most of us with well above 50 years of experience each...
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Old Sun Jan 27, 2008, 06:57pm
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What if it was a rising curveball?
Then Hell would have frozen over................


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Old Sun Jan 27, 2008, 10:10pm
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What's wrong with a belt high hook?
Belt high hooks often wind up deposited in the outfield bleachers, for one thing.
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Old Mon Jan 28, 2008, 09:55am
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Belt high hooks often wind up deposited in the outfield bleachers, for one thing.
I've always wondered why, when I call that high zone pitch a strike, the offensive teams takes offense (pun intended), because my next thought is, "I wonder what a Mark McGuire or a Sammy Sosa would have done with that pitch?"

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Old Mon Jan 28, 2008, 10:30am
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I've always wondered why, when I call that high zone pitch a strike, the offensive teams takes offense (pun intended), because my next thought is, "I wonder what a Mark McGuire or a Sammy Sosa would have done with that pitch?"

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Pre steroid/HGH, Sammy would've flown out to shallow left field. McGwire...probably into the seats.

That's the best point though...pitchers miss when that's the location of a curveball...lucky, if it stays in the park.
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