2008 HOF Ballot

[gordon30307]

[QUOTE=canadaump6]A play on words. Cheeky, and a$$. Good one! I'm sure Steven Tyler would be proud.


Are you sure from Canada????? Cheeky. A British expression , correct me if I'm wrong, audacious, brash, bold or something like that. A member of the Commonwealth no less!!!!!!!!

[JFlores]

I would pick Mattingly to make it one day, his numbers are not that much different than Kirby Pucketts.

[jwwashburn]

Until THIS guy gets in, they should shut down the voting.




Joe in Texas

[SAump]

Check http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/ho....jsp?year=2007
Name Votes PCT
Gossage, Rich 388 71.2%
Rice, Jim 346 63.5%
Dawson, Andre 309 56.7%
Blyleven, Bert 260 47.7%
Smith, Lee 217 39.8%
Morris, Jack 202 37.1%
McGwire, Mark 128 23.5%
John, Tommy 125 22.9%
Concepcion, Dave 74 13.6%
Trammell, Alan 73 13.4%
Parker, Dave 62 11.4%
Mattingly, Don 54 9.9%
Murphy, Dale 50 9.2%
Baines, Harold 29 5.3%

[UMP25]

And only one gets in.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Until THIS guy gets in, they should shut down the voting.




Joe in Texas

His stats just don't support it.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

His stats just don't support it.

Compare his stats to Brooks Robinson. Not resume', Did you ever see him play?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Compare his stats to Brooks Robinson. Not resume', Did you ever see him play?

Tough argument there. The only stat where Brooks dominated was gold gloves, and he had no competition other than Cletis Boyer. I thought Clete should have won it a few years (the only 3rd baseman I ever saw play in on the edge of the grass for Killebrew -- talk about balls!). In the NL, it was pretty much split between Ron, and Clete's brother Ken.

[jwwashburn]

You cannot just compare stats. You must know what they mean. You cannot compare Jim Rice(playing in Fenway in the 1970's) and Willie Davis(Playiing in the pacific ocean in the 1960's) without context.

Santo led the league in on Base Pct twice and was in the top ten five other times. he was top ten in slugging five times. He had 5 gold gloves. He knocked in runs in buckets.

Bill James has Santo as the 6th best 3B of all time, and Brooksie as 7th. Instead of bar room talk, he actually uses facts that mean things.


HALL OF FAMER

Joe in Texas
(For the record, I am not a Cubs fan)

[SAump]

I guess I now know more about Mr. Raines and statistics than 75% of the member who voted against his induction into the Hall of Not Better than Tim Raines. Don't get me started about another small market future HOF by the name of Mr Parker.

Tim Raines is considered the best leadoff man in baseball history. Playing in the basement of the National League during his prime, he compiled the best stolen base percentage in baseball and scored a whole lot of runs. He did it without the help of two ANDROIDS who managed to knock in Ricky Henderson every now and then. See better SB% than Maury Wills, Willie Mays, and Jackie Robinson and everyone else in the Baseball HOF. What ever happened to that team from Montreal?

If I were Goose, I would invite Mr. Mattingly to introduce me into the HOF for all the run support he provided the Yankees when they were not a very good team. Tommy John has a major medical procedure named after him. If fame and money drive in votes, I am sure TJ's doctor has a fat bank roll by now. That is probably the single greatest achievement in baseball. It certainly isn't the single-season or career HR record.

[jwwashburn]

Tim Raines was a whale of a ballplayer(and leadoff man) and one heck of a cokehead.

BUT, the bext leadoff man ever? No, probably top 5, though.

Here is yer best leadoff man ever. If you cut him in half, you would have two Hall Of Famers.



Joe In Texas

[SAump]

Cutting in half leaves Canseco {40/40, followed who to NY} and McGuire.
Take away their RBI's and you take the juice from Mr. Hollywood's run totals.
Had he played in Milwaukee for 10 years, he would barely make "your" top 10.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by SAump

If I were Goose, I would invite Mr. Mattingly to introduce me into the HOF for all the run support he provided the Yankees when they were not a very good team.

Goose and Mattingly played together for Mattingly's first 2 seasons. In that time Mattingly hit 4 HRs and had 33 RBIs. If Goose wanted to thank those that supported him with the bats it would be Reggie Jackson and Graig Nettles.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Goose and Mattingly played together for Mattingly's first 2 seasons. In that time Mattingly hit 4 HRs and had 33 RBIs. If Goose wanted to thank those that supported him with the bats it would be Reggie Jackson and Graig Nettles.

Don't forget Bucky Dent. It would be tough to decide if Goose was better than Tommy John? The Yankees played in two WS {76, 77} before Goose arrived {78} and Goose was later traded to a pretty good Padres team. He did put up some impressive numbers during his Yankees/Padres run, but he was never the only "tool" in the bag.

Did you see his last 7-year journeyman record? You can count the number of yearly wins or/saves on one hand. It would have been much better for Goose to have played with Mr. Mattingly, than vice-versa, during those years. How many pitcher's put up better numbers? Tommy John did.

I am happy for Goose because I think it would have been dumb for baseball not to elect anyone to the HOF. Do you know how much money that Cooperstown party generates? If I were making the cakes, I would elect 2 or 3 every year.