Released

[lawump]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

[ozzy6900]

It seems that the idea of female umpires in professional baseball just isn't going to work out. I know that they put everything into doing a good job, but if you are not going to be accepted then what's the sense?

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

It seems that the idea of female umpires in professional baseball just isn't going to work out. I know that they put everything into doing a good job, but if you are not going to be accepted then what's the sense?

That's pretty hypocritical of you, considering you claimed that the personal characteristics of the umpire have nothing to do with how successful that umpire is.

[t-rex]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

That's pretty hypocritical of you, considering you claimed that the personal characteristics of the umpire have nothing to do with how successful that umpire is.

It appeared pessimistic to me, rather than hypocritical.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by t-rex

It appeared pessimistic to me, rather than hypocritical.

Maybe both?

[gordon30307]

Interesting. If there was an opening she could have been in Triple A this past season. This season her evaluations were such that she ends up being released. This seems odd. Top of the heap and then out the door in the course of a season. Perhaps MLB didn't want to make a decision concerning her.

[Richard_Siegel]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

It seems that the idea of female umpires in professional baseball just isn't going to work out. I know that they put everything into doing a good job, but if you are not going to be accepted then what's the sense?

However, form everything I have ever heard about Ms. Cortesio, she was completely accepted. I read Pam Postema's book, "You've Got to Have Balls to Make it in This League." The constant onslaught of anger and cruelty that woman endured would have driven any normal person out of the game in a month. But Pam endured it for 12 years. Pam was not accepted. But I think Ria never faced any of that kid of abuse.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by Richard_Siegel

However, form everything I have ever heard about Ms. Cortesio, she was completely accepted. I read Pam Postema's book, "You've Got to Have Balls to Make it in This League." The constant onslaught of anger and cruelty that woman endured would have driven any normal person out of the game in a month. But Pam endured it for 12 years. Pam was not accepted. But I think Ria never faced any of that kid of abuse.

Accepted as a female, maybe, but not as an umpire, Rich. From talking to guys who worked with her or who knew her work in general, I heard she just wasn't a good umpire. Her gender notwithstanding, she simply wasn't that good. Many believe she got as far as she did because of her gender.

[Richard_Siegel]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Accepted as a female, maybe, but not as an umpire, Rich. From talking to guys who worked with her or who knew her work in general, I heard she just wasn't a good umpire. Her gender notwithstanding, she simply wasn't that good. Many believe she got as far as she did because of her gender.

I have no personal knowledge of Ria's comptence as an umpire. If she was not a good umpire then she does not deserve to advance. However, as I mentioned before, I believe she was given the same respect and treatment as her male partners by players and coaches. Even a bad umpire can be "accepeted."

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by Richard_Siegel

I have no personal knowledge of Ria's comptence as an umpire. If she was not a good umpire then she does not deserve to advance. However, as I mentioned before, I believe she was given the same respect and treatment as her male partners by players and coaches. Even a bad umpire can be "accepeted."

you can believe whatever you want, but that's not the truth.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Richard_Siegel

However, form everything I have ever heard about Ms. Cortesio, she was completely accepted. I read Pam Postema's book, "You've Got to Have Balls to Make it in This League." The constant onslaught of anger and cruelty that woman endured would have driven any normal person out of the game in a month. But Pam endured it for 12 years. Pam was not accepted. But I think Ria never faced any of that kid of abuse.

Pam Postema was a warrior and paved ground that made Ria's life much more manageable. I hope she sues b/c it will be the only way to find out if she was dumped b/c she was a woman.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by fitump56

I hope she sues b/c it will be the only way to find out if she was dumped b/c she was a woman.

What a bunch of illogical crap. If she has no evidence of illegal gender discrimination, then she mustn't sue. One doesn't sue to find out if something was wrong; rather, one sues because something was wrong.

Get off your soapbox, Ms. Alred. Just because the only female umpire was released doesn't mean there was illegal discrimination.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by UMP25

What a bunch of illogical crap. If she has no evidence of illegal gender discrimination, then she mustn't sue. One doesn't sue to find out if something was wrong; rather, one sues because something was wrong.

Get off your soapbox, Ms. Alred. Just because the only female umpire was released doesn't mean there was illegal discrimination.

Sometimes the only way to find out if something is wrong is if you do indeed file suit. Even then you can be right and lose or you can be wrong and win.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
I hope she sues b/c it will be the only way to find out if she was dumped b/c she was a woman.

Originally Posted by UMP25

What a bunch of illogical crap. If she has no evidence of illegal gender discrimination, then she mustn't sue. One doesn't sue to find out if something was wrong; rather, one sues because something was wrong.

One word, look it up. The legal definition of:

D-I-S-C-O-V-E-R-Y

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
I hope she sues b/c it will be the only way to find out if she was dumped b/c she was a woman.

Originally Posted by UMP25

Get off your soapbox, Ms. Alred. Just because the only female umpire was released doesn't mean there was illegal discrimination.

Which part of "find out" did you set in your concrete head as "guilty of discrimination"?