Unejected a Coach

[btdt]

"Obviously whether someone should be ejected or not is a judgement call, and a judgement call can be reversed. 9.02 c: [I]If a decision is appealed, the umpire making the decision may ask another umpire for information before making a final decision."

You are incorrect if you are indicating a judgement call can be appealed.
9.02(a)Any umpires decision which includes judgment ******** is final

You are misinterpeting 9.02(b)
If there is a reasonable doubt that any umpires decision is in conflict with the rulesthe manager may appeal the decision and ask that a correct ruling be made. Such an appeal shall be made only to the umpire who made the protested decision.
9.02c)
If a decision is appealed, the umpire making the decision may ask another umpire for imformation before making a final decision.

You have to use things in the correct order. You can not disregard 9.02(a) so you can interpet 9.02(c) to fit your needs

[MD Longhorn]

I know you're going to say I'm just piling on ... but surely this kind of fictional hair-trigger response and the fictional cross-field shouting you participated in is an example of the reasons your fictional supervisor isn't promoting you to work fictional higher-level games.

[ozzy6900]

For those who really have a clue:

You never eject someone unless you are sure that this is either the proper penalty or the last straw because once you eject, you never, ever bring them back --- for any reason!

And that is not open to interpretation - that is the way we operate!

This is why some people umpire and others wish that they could!

[BretMan]

In a fall league last week, I had both teams begging me to "uneject" a player!

One team was playing short-handed, with only eight players (FED rules). We were only in the third inning. A player for the short-handed team went down on a called third strike.

He took a few steps from the plate, let loose with a string of profanities, then brought his bat up overhead and heaved it about 30 feet in the general direction of his own dugout.

I didn't even hesitate on that one- "Number 11, you're ejected!".

Since they dropped down to seven players, the game became an automatic forfeit. His coaches pleaded for me to change my mind. The other team's coaches asked if I would reconsider. They wanted to play!

I held my ground, telling them, "If you still want to play, be my guest. You can play another ten innings if you want. But you won't be doing it with these two umpires present".

And with that one, well deserved "heave-ho", I now have the reputation as the hard-a$$ umpire that doesn't "care about the kids"!

[Publius]

That's a good reputation to have.

If anyone asks, just tell them you care enough about the kids to let them know actions have consequences.

[canadaump6]

I never said anyone is piling on, and like fitump56 said it is a bad idea to be yelling across the field. The only problem is that to avoid this, I've got to follow the coach for 50 metres to get to him, and this just doesn't look good. Maybe I should just toss him after he starts yelling across the diamond? What do you guys think? This whole yelling across the diamond thing is starting to piss me off, maybe it's time to just eject immediatly.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I never said anyone is piling on, and like fitump56 said it is a bad idea to be yelling across the field. The only problem is that to avoid this, I've got to follow the coach for 50 metres to get to him, and this just doesn't look good. Maybe I should just toss him after he starts yelling across the diamond? What do you guys think? This whole yelling across the diamond thing is starting to piss me off, maybe it's time to just eject immediatly.

If a coach is yelling from across the diamond you have two choices:

1. If what he is yelling at you is something you would eject him for saying to you when he is close by, then you give him the old heave-ho (that means eject him in case you didn't know) from right where you stand.

2. If he is just jabbering, or in your case, changing the lineup, then you do the following: IGNORE HIM. If you don't know exactly what he's yelling: IGNORE HIM.

[LomUmp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If a coach is yelling from across the diamond you have two choices:

1. 1. If what he is yelling at you is something you would eject him for saying to you when he is close by, then you give him the old heave-ho (that means eject him in case you didn't know) from right where you stand.
   
   2. If he is just jabbering, or in your case, changing the lineup, then you do the following: IGNORE HIM. If you don't know exactly what he's yelling: IGNORE HIM.

Hey all,

I agree, an umpire has to KNOW what was said to cause an ejection. How else can you do an ejection report with all the facts?

LomUmp

[VanStanza]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I never said anyone is piling on, and like fitump56 said it is a bad idea to be yelling across the field. The only problem is that to avoid this, I've got to follow the coach for 50 metres to get to him, and this just doesn't look good. Maybe I should just toss him after he starts yelling across the diamond? What do you guys think? This whole yelling across the diamond thing is starting to piss me off, maybe it's time to just eject immediatly.

I find that too often on this forum, umpires are looking for comebacks to a player's or coach's comments. Many times, a reasonable course of action to ignore the coach if he is yelling from across the diamond.

If he is walking that fine line and want him to say more to get tossed so that it doesn't look like you're chasing him from the game, and you want to acknowledge that you heard him, a simple glare in his direction is also effective.

[Arnold A.]

Originally Posted by VanStanza

I find that too often on this forum, umpires are looking for comebacks to a player's or coach's comments. Many times, a reasonable course of action to ignore the coach if he is yelling from across the diamond.

If he is walking that fine line and want him to say more to get tossed so that it doesn't look like you're chasing him from the game, and you want to acknowledge that you heard him, a simple glare in his direction is also effective.

I do not want anyone screaming at me across the diamond.

If he cannot comport himself in an adult manner and come to me and discuss the issue(s), then there is a good chance he will be ejected.

I don't yell at coaches or players across the diamond, and I don't tolerate them yelling at me in that manner.

I also don't engage in "comebacks" with coaches or players. I try to keep any contact with participants to a bare minimum. I've found that, more often than not, the game goes along more smoothly for all involved this way.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by VanStanza

I find that too often on this forum, umpires are looking for comebacks to a player's or coach's comments. Many times, a reasonable course of action to ignore the coach if he is yelling from across the diamond.

No comebacks? The Old Guard on here has a book full of them and, by gollee, they bring them out like gunslingers shooting down coache s. About as accurately as Cheney hunts people, er, quail. Works every time for them. Jst ask them.

If he is walking that fine line and want him to say more to get tossed so that it doesn't look like you're chasing him from the game, and you want to acknowledge that you heard him, a simple glare in his direction is also effective.

Say nothing.

Get out of here with that effective, useful advice.

Harrumph.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by BretMan

In a fall league last week, I had both teams begging me to "uneject" a player!

One team was playing short-handed, with only eight players (FED rules). We were only in the third inning. A player for the short-handed team went down on a called third strike.

He took a few steps from the plate, let loose with a string of profanities, then brought his bat up overhead and heaved it about 30 feet in the general direction of his own dugout.

I didn't even hesitate on that one- "Number 11, you're ejected!".

Since they dropped down to seven players, the game became an automatic forfeit. His coaches pleaded for me to change my mind. The other team's coaches asked if I would reconsider. They wanted to play!

I held my ground, telling them, "If you still want to play, be my guest. You can play another ten innings if you want. But you won't be doing it with these two umpires present".

And with that one, well deserved "heave-ho", I now have the reputation as the hard-a$$ umpire that doesn't "care about the kids"!

I get this one with the 18+ MSBL studs, they scramble to put together 9 or 10 so the ranks are thin. As if I care. Hell, I can guarantee you that there have been times when a buddy drug his drugged buddy to the field and the drugged buddy had beserk on his mind for a reason. To go home.

Oh, you call kids? What an a$$hole you are. I hope you never call crippled lepers or blinded, one footed dwarfs.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Oh, you call kids?

It was an 18U high school league, so the "kids" had crossed the magical "players that shave" demarcation that gets yammered about here so often. Well, at least some of them had.

Even worse, I imagine, in the eyes of many here- besides the crippled lepers and blinded dwarfs I also work many games with...gasp!...girls!

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

For those who really have a clue:

You never eject someone unless you are sure that this is either the proper penalty or the last straw because once you eject, you never, ever bring them back --- for any reason!

And that is not open to interpretation - that is the way we operate!

This is why some people umpire and others wish that they could!

Ozzy, I do not disagree whatsoever, but what about this situation : In a Fed
game, young umpire objected to a coach telling him "You blew that call" twice, face-to-face, not across the field. Said rookie dumps coach. He was the only representative of the school at the facility. His partner, a veteran,
convinced the rookie to change the ejection to a dugout restriction. That way, the game did not have to be forfeited, as per state rule. From all reports, that compromise made all parties happy.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

Ozzy, I do not disagree whatsoever, but what about this situation : In a Fed
game, young umpire objected to a coach telling him "You blew that call" twice, face-to-face, not across the field. Said rookie dumps coach. He was the only representative of the school at the facility. His partner, a veteran,
convinced the rookie to change the ejection to a dugout restriction. That way, the game did not have to be forfeited, as per state rule. From all reports, that compromise made all parties happy.

In FED, you have the choice of putting the coach on the bus or making him sit quietly. Here in CT, we are asked to use the restriction first especially in a case where the offending coach is the only qualified adult Representative.

In the case above, it was a better choice to talk to the rookie as the veteran did and let the rookie make the change. Again, this was a FED game and the option was there. In an OBR or NCAA game, once gone, he has to stay gone.

Regards