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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:33pm
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First, I said that it COULD be genetic. I did not say every case was genetic.
And you would be wrong. Let's see, believe you or a cardiologist, many cardiologists? I'll have to think about that one.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:38pm
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And you would be wrong. Let's see, believe you or a cardiologist, many cardiologists? I'll have to think about that one.
Yeah?? Well geneticists would also state otherwise. I'm on the hefty side myself and have done my job quite well, thank you. But you do raise an important point, though. It is important for all of us to maintain a reasonable weight in proportion to height and frame. And I'd have to agree that MLB has gotten its act together.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:42pm
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Yeah?? Well geneticists would also state otherwise. I'm on the hefty side myself and have done my job quite well, thank you. But you do raise an important point, though. It is important for all of us to maintain a reasonable weight in proportion to height and frame. And I'd have to agree that MLB has gotten its act together.
No geneticist has or will ever clinically citation obesity as a genetic condition that cannot be controlled by reducing consumption. If you overconsume, you will be overfat and eventually obese.

Again, I support this by:

http://tinyurl.com/3ap4qa

and sci.med.cardiology discussions, not innuendo or mythology.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:48pm
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If you overconsume, you will be overfat and eventually obese.
This is the only statement you've made that is 100% correct.

But I must add that just because you are "overfat" does not mean that you have over consumed.

YES, if you over consume you will be overly fat. I cannot argue that, nor am I trying to. But you have constantly stated that over consumption is the ONLY way one could be obese. THAT is not true.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:51pm
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No geneticist has or will ever clinically citation obesity as a genetic condition that cannot be controlled by reducing consumption. If you overconsume, you will be overfat and eventually obese.

Again, I support this by:

http://tinyurl.com/3ap4qa

and sci.med.cardiology discussions, not innuendo or mythology.
You still disregard other factors such as:
METABOLISM

GENETICS!! (my maternal grandfather was big and lived to the ripe old age of 86)

etc.
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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 12:32am
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And you would be wrong. Let's see, believe you or a cardiologist, many cardiologists? I'll have to think about that one.
Hey all,

fitump56, you know not of which you speak. You are a TROLL and nothing less. Obeseity CAN be caused by over-stuffing the mouth OR genetics can play a part OR BOTH. This comes from someone who has dealt with a real cardiologist, not one I made up in my head, because of health issues that were caused, in part, by weighing as much as 80-100 lbs. more than the "experts" say I should for my 6'4" frame. Genetics are a major contibuting factor to obeseity in the cases of a lot of people.

That in mind, weight does not determine ability to cover responsibilities from home to second/first to third, etc.., hustle and pride in the job you are doing does!

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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 09:32am
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What other ways might genes influence obesity?

It has been argued that the thrifty genotype is just part of a wider spectrum of ways in which genes can favor fat accumulation in a given environment. These ways include the tendency to overeat (poor regulation of appetite and satiety); tendency to be sedentary (physically inactive); diminished ability to use dietary fats as fuel; and enlarged, easily stimulated capacity to store body fat. It is noticeable that not all people living in industrialized countries with abundant food are or will become obese; nor will all obese people suffer the same health consequences. The variation in how people respond to the same environmental conditions suggests that genes also play a role in the development of obesity. This diversity occurs even among groups of the same racial or ethnic background and within families living in the same environment. All of these observations are consistent with the theory that obesity results from the interaction of genetic variation with shifting environmental conditions.



Genomics



Genetics

How do genes affect obesity?

Science shows that genetics plays a role in obesity. Genes can directly cause obesity in disorders such as Bardet-Biedl syndrome and Prader-Willi syndrome.

However genes do not always predict future health. Genes and behavior may both be needed for a person to be overweight. In some cases multiple genes may increase one’s susceptibility for obesity and require outside factors; such as abundant food supply or little physical activity.

For more information on the genetics and obesity visit Obesity and Genetics: A Public Health Perspective.


Contributing Factors


Genetic predisposition may not be health destiny, but studies indicate that inherited genetic variation is an important risk factor for obesity. Evidence from twin, adoption and family studies strongly suggests that biological relatives exhibit similarities in maintenance of body weight. Genetic factors also are beginning to be implicated in the degree of effectiveness of diet and physical activity interventions for weight reduction.

These genetic risk factors tend to be familial, but are not inherited in a simple manner; they may reflect many genetic variations, and each variation may contribute a small amount of risk and may interact with environmental elements to produce the clinical condition of obesity.



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I could go on posting numerous sources that support what Darien's already said. I've yet to find a single one that would agree with Fitty'.



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