What to do?

[jicecone]

I had this happen to me in a Legion game where I was the BU. As already stated here, I am watching for catch/no catch and PU has tag of R3, just as discussed in pre-game. (Sometimes I swear, it does no good to have a pre-game if your partner just nods his head and then does whatever. That is probably where I should have kicked him and woke him up.)

Coach comes out and appeals tag and my DEAR partner points to me. Well about all I could say for sure was that the runner crossed the plate and tagged it. Thats it. Walked over to my partner and politly asked him what he saw, "nothing" was his answer. Great. Thats two of us.

Being the senior guy I went over to the coach and said he could either start yelling now or accept the fact that neither of us saw the tag and therefore R3is safe.

Coach said "I can't believe this crap", turned around and walked back to the dugout. I wasn't as nice to my partner after the game as the coach was to us.

[btdt]

Walked over to my partner and politly asked him what he saw, "nothing" was his answer. Great. Thats two of us.

Being the senior guy I went over to the coach and said he could either start yelling now or accept the fact that neither of us saw the tag and therefore R3is safe.

Coach said "I can't believe this crap", turned around and walked back to the dugout. I wasn't as nice to my partner after the game as the coach was to us.[/QUOTE]
#1 Why would you ever walk over to the coach and tell him start yelling.... neither one of us saw the tag ???????????????

#2 It is my understanding that in most areas, the PU is the UIC, being the more senior as far as I know doesn't supersede anything.

#3 After you "walked" over to your partner, HE should have signaled safe perhaps with some sort of a verbal " runners safe on the appeal" and resume the game.

It appears to me that you took a situation that isn't all that uncommon and made it worse. If anyone needs to be denutted, it wasn't the PU

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by btdt

Walked over to my partner and politly asked him what he saw, "nothing" was his answer. Great. Thats two of us.

Being the senior guy I went over to the coach and said he could either start yelling now or accept the fact that neither of us saw the tag and therefore R3is safe.

Coach said "I can't believe this crap", turned around and walked back to the dugout. I wasn't as nice to my partner after the game as the coach was to us.

#1 Why would you ever walk over to the coach and tell him start yelling.... neither one of us saw the tag ???????????????

#2 It is my understanding that in most areas, the PU is the UIC, being the more senior as far as I know doesn't supersede anything.

#3 After you "walked" over to your partner, HE should have signaled safe perhaps with some sort of a verbal " runners safe on the appeal" and resume the game.

It appears to me that you took a situation that isn't all that uncommon and made it worse. If anyone needs to be denutted, it wasn't the PU[/QUOTE]

1.First of all, knowing how to umpire, knowing the rules and knowing how to deal with coaches are 3 different subjects. It difused the situation and the ended the discussion. If you choose to try and hide the fact that you both just screwed up all the time, then go for it and argue all day long.

2.Well in my area, titles don't mean anything when the ship is sinking. You are a team out there and when one looks bad, you both look bad. The UIC screwed up and was trying to dump it on me. I took charge and put and end to it. That is called "game mangement" not, lets see who we can blame now.

3. Shoud of, could of, but it didn't happen that way so I stepped in.

4. As far as "making it worse," your entitled to your opinion.

[mbyron]

Maybe the coach knows whose call it is, maybe not. If I'm BU and my partner comes to me for a routine appeal of a tag-up at 3B, I'm going to call time and confer with him. I'm going to keep the coach away, and I'm going to tell him that it's his call and he needs to make it.

If the coach wants to whine that my partner missed something, maybe he has a point - but I'm neither going to show up my partner, make his call for him, nor deal with the coach for my partner's missed call.

And all this will take 45 seconds, so holding up the game is not a significant issue here.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Maybe the coach knows whose call it is, maybe not. If I'm BU and my partner comes to me for a routine appeal of a tag-up at 3B, I'm going to call time and confer with him. I'm going to keep the coach away, and I'm going to tell him that it's his call and he needs to make it.

If the coach wants to whine that my partner missed something, maybe he has a point - but I'm neither going to show up my partner, make his call for him, nor deal with the coach for my partner's missed call.

And all this will take 45 seconds, so holding up the game is not a significant issue here.

Like it or not, you are already involved because your partner has come to you.

Your choice: Throw him back to the wolves or resolve the matter.

There have been times that letting your partner get an earful from the coach is a good learning tool, this was not one of them and I did what had to be done.

Less than 45 seconds.

[CO ump]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Like it or not, you are already involved because your partner has come to you.

I don't understand how your involvement in this situation has now put you in charge of the situation.
You conference, you have nothing, he has nothing and it's his call to make. Very simple and undisputed mechanics.

Originally Posted by jicecone

Your choice: Throw him back to the wolves or resolve the matter.

How can you possibly consider letting UIC make his call as throwing him to the wolves?
It's actually much worse than throwing him to the wolves, you effectively emasculated him.

Originally Posted by jicecone

There have been times that letting your partner get an earful from the coach is a good learning tool, this was not one of them and I did what had to be done.

It's always a good learning tool, it's called consequences of actions!
Negative consequences tends to deter behavior which results in such consequences.
Getting an "earful from the coach" comes with the territory when you screw up. If UIC asked for you to fight his battle you may have mentioned it in your OP, important info, and everyone would agree that UIC needs to grow some before they can be kicked.
If UIC did not ask for your help in managing this call then I agree with a previous post that you're the one that screwed up by usurping your authority.

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[jicecone]

Originally Posted by CO ump

I don't understand how your involvement in this situation has now put you in charge of the situation.
You conference, you have nothing, he has nothing and it's his call to make. Very simple and undisputed mechanics.



How can you possibly consider letting UIC make his call as throwing him to the wolves?
It's actually much worse than throwing him to the wolves, you effectively emasculated him.



It's always a good learning tool, it's called consequences of actions!
Negative consequences tends to deter behavior which results in such consequences.
Getting an "earful from the coach" comes with the territory when you screw up. If UIC asked for you to fight his battle you may have mentioned it in your OP, important info, and everyone would agree that UIC needs to grow some before they can be kicked.
If UIC did not ask for your help in managing this call then I agree with a previous post that you're the one that screwed up by usurping your authority.

[/QUOTE]

"Original Thread:
What would you have done as BU in this situation where you know that your partner was not watching what he was supposed to be watching?"

I related a situation that happened to me, as experience. If it helps someone fine, if not they are free to take your advice (which I have not seen yet) or no advise at all.

Protocol or not, we happen to work as a team here, the fact that you have to get in a frenzy about your title out on that field shows me where your coming from.

This happen to work in this situation and I have been around long enough to understand when or not to use it. With or without you approval.

Thankyou.