It's Why We Call Them Rats......

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

During the first inning of the Ohio ~vs~ Georgia game tonight an Ohio batter fouls a ball off of his leg. After attending to his player who looked to be overreacting, the coach is heard on his mic coaching the kid on being sure to not let a fastball get by him when he gets back in the box. Umpire says it's time to get the game moving, to which coach rat responds rather rudely:

"Hey, he's hurt. I'm just checking on him!"


Tim.

" . . . who looked to be overreacting . . . "

Is that one of those famous judgement calls?


It takes two seconds on my wristwatch to say "Don't let a fastball get by you."

Get pushy (the coach's opinion - a judgement call on his end), get a "rude" response.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

" . . . who looked to be overreacting . . . "

Is that one of those famous judgement calls?


It takes two seconds on my wristwatch to say "Don't let a fastball get by you."

Get pushy (the coach's opinion - a judgement call on his end), get a "rude" response.

I've come to expect no less from you, Rich. To a rat the game management tool of keeping the game moving along is getting pushy. Unless, of course, it's his team waiting on the field for the opposing coach to get his player back in the box.


Tim.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I've come to expect no less from you, Rich. To a rat the game management tool of keeping the game moving along is getting pushy. Unless, of course, it's his team waiting on the field for the opposing coach to get his player back in the box.


Tim.

There are two sides to every story Tim. No one has a lock on which side is correct.

I don't care how long the opposing coach takes to get his player back in the box - it gives my pitcher a breather.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

There are two sides to every story Tim. No one has a lock on which side is correct.

I don't care how long the opposing coach takes to get his player back in the box - it gives my pitcher a breather.

Hmmm. Most coaches I know are more concerned about their pitcher keeping his rhythm intact and are pretty quick to get on the defense for BS delays.

The Rat claimed to be checking his hurt kid when, in fact, he was coaching him on his at bat. You seem to either overlook that behavior, or lying has become so common in coaching that it doesn't bother you.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by GarthB

The Rat claimed to be checking his hurt kid when, in fact, he was coaching him on his at bat. You seem to either overlook that behavior, or lying has become so common in coaching that it doesn't bother you.

Where's the lie Garth, did you miss this part?

an Ohio batter fouls a ball off of his leg.

Or did the kid foul the ball off his leg on purpose because he wanted the coach to come coach him?

Fouling a ball off your leg hurts. Hell, Jermaine Dye had his leg broken by such a hit. Maybe you think a 12-year old kid should "act like a man"? CRAP - he's 12.

Yet somehow, after attending to the kid, saying "Don't let the fastball by you" as you prepare to return to the dugout makes you a lying rat.

You're wrong. Tim's wrong.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

watched this game--in bw catnaps

just like a rat to sneak in some 'coaching' during a injurty check--and then get snippy on TV when hes' called on it. your ratness has skewered your fairness sense mr Ives!

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Where's the lie Garth, did you miss this part?

an Ohio batter fouls a ball off of his leg.

Or did the kid foul the ball off his leg on purpose because he wanted the coach to come coach him?

Fouling a ball off your leg hurts. Hell, Jermaine Dye had his leg broken by such a hit. Maybe you think a 12-year old kid should "act like a man"? CRAP - he's 12.

Yet somehow, after attending to the kid, saying "Don't let the fastball by you" as you prepare to return to the dugout makes you a lying rat.

You're wrong. Tim's wrong.

Rich,

I didn't see the play, but from the OP, the coach finished tending to the injury and continued to hang around as though he were tending to the injury while offering hitting advice to his player.

I believe Garth is correctly suggesting that the lie occurred when the coach moved from medic to coach, but suggested he was still a medic by saying, "Hey, he's hurt. I'm just checking on him!" The coach's statement wasn't true: He wasn't just checking on him, he was also coaching him.

No one has suggested the foul ball on the leg didn't hurt. What has been suggested is that coaches who are tending to medical issues shouldn't offer game strategy/advice regardles of how much time it takes to do so. If a coach does that he has moved from an injury time out to an offensive or defensive time out. I don't see any difference between the batter's injury and a pitcher's injury in this regard.

[Jim Porter]

Just wanted to interject here that Little League rules limit the offense to one time-out per inning. So the fact that this coach was using an injury time-out as an opportunity to coach his player without taking a charged time-out gave him an unfair advantage not intended by the rules.

[EAGLE EYE]

Hey Guys

Thanks for watching. I logged on to see what yall thought about the game.

Honestly, I completely forgot about that one incident. I enjoyed the game, and really didn't reflect on much that had happened.

As for the topic of discussion, my initial concern was of course for the player's well being, as I'm sure was the coach's. I was in no hurry to resume play as long as the players health was an issue. However, as soon as the coach was convinced his player was good to go, which became obvious when he began to discuss strategy, I was as well.

The coach had his say, and was a gentleman throughout the remainder of the game.

Thanks for watching, and let me know what you see or hear that I might improve on.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Where's the lie Garth,

It's right here:

"the coach is heard on his mic coaching the kid on being sure to not let a fastball get by him when he gets back in the box. Umpire says it's time to get the game moving, to which coach rat responds rather rudely:

"Hey, he's hurt. I'm just checking on him!"

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Yet somehow, after attending to the kid, saying "Don't let the fastball by you" as you prepare to return to the dugout makes you a lying rat.

No, saying you're still attending to the player when in fact you're coaching him makes one a lying Rat.

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You're wrong. Tim's wrong.

Only in Bizarro World and Ratlandia.

[aceholleran]

This is a charged offensive timeout, pure and simple.

I realize that many of our group don't do small ball. You get one offensive conference per inning.

UNLESS, defensive coach takes a charged conference with pitcher/defense. Then offense gets a "freebie," which must end when defense ends their confab.

Off topic, I'm still waiting for one LLWS ump to correctly call INT on BR running outside of the lane. I have seen exactly one umpire hustle up the 1B line with no one on.

After 30+ years of umpiring LL, it pains me to watch the deplorable quality of umpiring in W-port.

Another aside--can LL provide these umps with flex belts? Just an idea.

Ace in CT

[Rich Ives]

OK all you hard heads.


Let's change it a bit.

Batter gets hit in the helmet by a pitch. Coach goes to check on him and walk him to 1B. As he's walking to player to 1B he says "Next time remember to duck".

Does this make it a charged offensive conference?


All opposed say "No".

All in favor - find another line of work.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

" . . . who looked to be overreacting . . . "

Is that one of those famous judgement calls?


It takes two seconds on my wristwatch to say "Don't let a fastball get by you."

Get pushy (the coach's opinion - a judgement call on his end), get a "rude" response.

Spoken like a true coach, Rich. But I'm going to move you along when you start coaching. And if you get cockey, I'm going to put you in your place.

But if you do an injury visit on your pitcher, now I have a rule to et you moving along if you start coaching!

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Spoken like a true coach, Rich. But I'm going to move you along when you start coaching. And if you get cockey, I'm going to put you in your place.

But if you do an injury visit on your pitcher, now I have a rule to et you moving along if you start coaching!

And the umpire's manual dictates that I be standing there with you to make sure you are not tending to issues other than the injury. Once the conversation chagnes course, we're through and we're playing ball. If you want to keep talking to him, then we have a charged time out.

With the batter sitch mentioned - if I hear the "coaching" I'm moving you along, and if I get the "I'm checking on my player, he's hurt" comment I'm going to ask "What does not letting a fastball get by him have to do with his injury?" I see no issue with a comment as you walk away -after all it only takes two seconds - but during the injury time out, we need to be tending to the injury.

We could tell players to "get hurt" so we can come talk to them. Hey that works, fake an injury, I'll come tell PU that I'm tending to your injury and I can tell you to drag bunt down the 3BL, F5 is playing very deep. We could have a sign for that - hat = steal, chin = bunt, belt to cheek = get hurt.

I went off the deep end, but we have to draw a line somewhere or else it will get to that. Discussion leads away from the injury looks like a good line to me.

[Interested Ump]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

And the umpire's manual dictates that I be standing there with you to make sure you are not tending to issues other than the injury. Once the conversation chagnes course, we're through and we're playing ball. If you want to keep talking to him, then we have a charged time out.

With the batter sitch mentioned - if I hear the "coaching" I'm moving you along, and if I get the "I'm checking on my player, he's hurt" comment I'm going to ask .....

I'm with you until here. No asking, it's time to remind the coach he's over stepped his bounds and to exit, Stage Right.

Discussion leads away from the injury looks like a good line to me.

Draw it tight, sharp and quick.