Angel Hernandez new low...

[TussAgee11]

Angel uses a modified GD with his hands tucked under his crotch and his elbows on his thighs. Watching the Yankees/Toronto game I saw a pitch that Angel called a ball, then rose, and I swear I saw the lineup card in his hands. It was confirmed when he then looked at the card. Next pitch, did the same thing...

I know its nitpicking, but giving away coaches hats, etc., MLB has to find a way to keep some of these guys in line. For the most part its self policed among the umpires but Angel takes some things to new levels.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Hernandez, and other lesser quality MLB umpires are still head and shoulders above you or me. He earned his way into the majors, despite what has been deleted in this thread. He, and other MLB umpires paid their dues in the minors, and are still better than the rest.

I sure would hate to be "kept in line." Sounds military to me, and baseball ain't the military.

[Rcichon]

We can suppose all day long.
I suppose F2 says, "they change the lineup, Blue?"
PU checks between pitches.

Something else?

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Hernandez, and other lesser quality MLB umpires are still head and shoulders above you or me. He earned his way into the majors, despite what has been deleted in this thread. He, and other MLB umpires paid their dues in the minors, and are still better than the rest.

I sure would hate to be "kept in line." Sounds military to me, and baseball ain't the military.

Well, I never did say I or anyone else not an MLB Umpire was better than Angel. I just posted what I've heard and what seems to be "well-known" among umpire circles. However, it's since been deleted by the P.C. Police.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

We can suppose all day long.
I suppose F2 says, "they change the lineup, Blue?"
PU checks between pitches.

Something else?

I can guarantee that no Big League catcher would ever call an umpire "Blue"

[lawump]

We can all post what we want about Angel. However, I know for a fact several AAA reserve umpires look up to him quite a bit and regard him as one of the MLB umpires who truly wants to help younger umpires and does not feel threatened by them. In fact, I know one that has used the word "mentor" to describe him.

Second, MLB doesn't agree with the evaluations of Angel that most of us internet umpires have posted...as reflected by the number of post-season assignments he has received. Simply put...he's one of the best Ques-Tec umpires in MLB.

You all can post on and on about "being a great Ques-Tec umpire doesn't make you a great umpire" and on and on. However, being a great Ques-Tec umpire means a hell of a lot to the MLB front office, period. Every pro umpire knows it. I know how much some AAA reserve umpires sweat before a plate game in a Ques-Tec park: They know its a big evaluation!

Since 2000 he has worked: 2 Division Series; 4 LCS; and 2 World Series. Someone thinks he's doing a pretty good job.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

help a old codger out here--WHY is ti a crime to look at a lineup card??

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

help a old codger out here--WHY is ti a crime to look at a lineup card??

Some umpires think it's smittyish to look at your indicator more than once an inning. He (according to the OP) looked at a lineup card twice in one batter.

1. It seems odd that he would be holding a lineup card in hand during live ball action.
2. Even more odd to be looking at it between pitches.

If it had info needed pertinent to the situation then call time and get the issue straightened out. If not, then leave it in your pocket and get the rookies autograph between innings.
A crime? no
Something to emulate? certainly not.

[Rcichon]

Originally Posted by BigTex

I can guarantee that no Big League catcher would ever call an umpire "Blue"

No, he'd use his name, "Angel". My bad.

Useless........

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Some umpires think it's smittyish to look at your indicator more than once an inning. He (according to the OP) looked at a lineup card twice in one batter.

1. It seems odd that he would be holding a lineup card in hand during live ball action.
2. Even more odd to be looking at it between pitches.

If it had info needed pertinent to the situation then call time and get the issue straightened out. If not, then leave it in your pocket and get the rookies autograph between innings.
A crime? no
Something to emulate? certainly not.

thank you don thats helpful info (serious, no joke here). I see that lookin at a card was a big deal..,,its a new prespective for me.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by BigTex

I can guarantee that no Big League catcher would ever call an umpire "Blue"

Javy Lopez not count?

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Angel uses a modified GD with his hands tucked under his crotch and his elbows on his thighs. Watching the Yankees/Toronto game I saw a pitch that Angel called a ball, then rose, and I swear I saw the lineup card in his hands. It was confirmed when he then looked at the card. Next pitch, did the same thing...

I know its nitpicking, but giving away coaches hats, etc., MLB has to find a way to keep some of these guys in line. For the most part its self policed among the umpires but Angel takes some things to new levels.

what game and what inning in this series did this happen.
The game can be researched on MLB and I would like to be able to view it and see if what you say happened, happened.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Javy Lopez not count?

What are you trying to say?

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

what game and what inning in this series did this happen.
The game can be researched on MLB and I would like to be able to view it and see if what you say happened, happened.

I saw this. It was late in Tuesday's game, maybe the 8th inning? Certainly after Clemens was ejected because I tuned in just after that.

The description was accurate. A batter was at the plate, Hernandez had the lineup card in his hand. He looked at it after the first pitch, then again after the second and finally he put it away and took his indicator out his pocket. Only umpires probably noticed anyhting strange about that.

As a sidenote, Hernandez seems to be questionned more than most umpires. For example, there were a few strike calls that were on the corner and probably nothing would have been said if Tim McLelland had called them strikes. But when Angel is in umpiring, it seems you get more grumbling about calls that are borderline. My two cents.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Jay R

As a sidenote, Hernandez seems to be questionned more than most umpires. For example, there were a few strike calls that were on the corner and probably nothing would have been said if Tim McLelland had called them strikes. But when Angel is in umpiring, it seems you get more grumbling about calls that are borderline. My two cents.

Again this is very strange, as Ques-Tec proves Hernandez to be one of the very best ball and strike umpires in the league.