Bud Selig

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I take it the you haven't checked since 1990. Anabolic steroids used for non-medical purposes have been illegal under federal law since then under the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990.

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JR, I am not talking about illegal as it relates to the law. Steroids were not a banned substance for MLB and there was no testing for such a drug. The NFL bans all kinds of substances that are legal. The NFL has had a steroids ban since the 80s at least. Mark McGwire was using Androstenedione which could be bought at any GNC at that in the 90s (I am a Cardinal fan). It was a legal supplement that the NFL and other sports organizations long banned. MLB did not see this as a problem. Amphetamines and uppers have been apart of baseball for 50 years and just last year these were outlawed by Major League Baseball. At that time I was discussing with several people about what to take for work out purposes. I had even discussed with a friend about steroids and their affects along with other supplements like Creatine.

Peace

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

JR, I am not talking about illegal as it relates to the law. Steroids were not a banned substance for MLB and there was no testing for such a drug. The NFL bans all kinds of substances that are legal. The NFL has had a steroids ban since the 80s at least. Mark McGwire was using Androstenedione which could be bought at any GNC at that in the 90s (I am a Cardinal fan). It was a legal supplement that the NFL and other sports organizations long banned. MLB did not see this as a problem. Amphetamines and uppers have been apart of baseball for 50 years and just last year these were outlawed by Major League Baseball. At that time I was discussing with several people about what to take for work out purposes. I had even discussed with a friend about steroids and their affects along with other supplements like Creatine.

Peace

Rut , however you validate your acceptance on ANY athlete, and possibly yourself ,to take performance enhancements is your perogative.

I have never had to convince myself or my body that it was necessary in ANY sport or atheletic event I participated in. IMO there is still a majority that feel the same way and will never accept those that do.

Just my opinion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Rut , however you validate your acceptance on ANY athlete, and possibly yourself ,to take performance enhancements is your perogative.

Most supplements or any drug is a performance enchancer whether we want to admit it or not. If I did not take Advil the next day after working too many games one day, I would not be able to work the next day. And I know I use that drug very few times as compared to many officials that use many other types of similar drugs to help them continue to officiate. I am in my mid-30s, the older someone gets the harder it is for them to typically recover from stressful physical activity.

Originally Posted by jicecone

I have never had to convince myself or my body that it was necessary in ANY sport or atheletic event I participated in. IMO there is still a majority that feel the same way and will never accept those that do.

Just my opinion.

I really do not know what that means. I was trying to find something that allowed me to not be in a lot of pain the next day after a hard workout. My position has nothing to do with turning the other cheek. Actually, I do not see why we think that individuals that train year-round and have million dollars at stake, are not just better athletes and better prepared. I hear people say "Hank did it the right way." Well what is the right way? So Hank likely most of his career had to get another job because he probably did not make a lot of money during most of his career to just play baseball. Players did not have access to video tape of every game like they do today. I just find it interesting that we want to assume someone cannot do something that players of a different time did. If Mickey Mantle did not spend most of his career womanizing and getting drunk every other day, he might have been able to last longer in his career. I am sure Mickey like other players could have broken these records if they took better care of themselves on a daily basis.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most supplements or any drug is a performance enchancer whether we want to admit it or not.
Peace

Jeff:

"Performance enhancing" is a specific category of drugs to which advil and asprin do not belong. It is not a general term that one can just apply to any drug or medication. Words have meanings and when they are used outside of their meanings it clouds communication.

The more I see of Barry's steriod bloated head and body, the more I am impressed with Babe Ruth who, according to him, hit some of his homers under the influence of a performance "inhibiting" drug: alcohol, which tends to slow reactions, confuse time, and blur vision.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by GarthB

The more I see of Barry's steriod bloated head and body, the more I am impressed with Babe Ruth who, according to him, hit some of his homers under the influence of a performance "inhibiting" drug: alcohol, which tends to slow reactions, confuse time, and blur vision.

he also did it on hot dogs

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Jeff:

"Performance enhancing" is a specific category of drugs to which advil and asprin do not belong. It is not a general term that one can just apply to any drug or medication. Words have meanings and when they are used outside of their meanings it clouds communication.

The more I see of Barry's steriod bloated head and body, the more I am impressed with Babe Ruth who, according to him, hit some of his homers under the influence of a performance "inhibiting" drug: alcohol, which tends to slow reactions, confuse time, and blur vision.

Garth,

The last time I checked how bloated you are usually is not a very good judge of someone using steroids. And if how bloated you look as a result of steroids, then we all need to admit to taking something because most officials I know are very bloated and do not look like they did 10 or 20 years ago. And I will say this again. Babe Ruth did not play against all of the day's best players either. Neither did many of the players we so revere.


Peace

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Garth,

The last time I checked how bloated you are usually is not a very good judge of someone using steroids. And if how bloated you look as a result of steroids, then we all need to admit to taking something because most officials I know are very bloated and do not look like they did 10 or 20 years ago.

ive umpired with some guys who probably didnt look the same 10 or 20 years ago...but the bloat isnt in their heads and they dont currently wear an 8 5/8 size hat. if the average human head weighs 8 pounds, hes gotta be close to 13-14 pounds.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

ive umpired with some guys who probably didnt look the same 10 or 20 years ago...but the bloat isnt in their heads and they dont currently wear an 8 5/8 size hat. if the average human head weighs 8 pounds, hes gotta be close to 13-14 pounds.

Did you see Kirby Puckett before he died? I think his head got larger and it was not steroids that did it. I would think there is a better way to know if someone is using a drug other than hat size.

Peace