What would you call?

[tarheelcoach]

Saw a play in last night's Mets/Brewers game that I've never seen before. What would you experienced guys do in this situation?

Alou steals second for the Mets and slides in safely headfirst. He has his left hand on the base. He raises his LEFT hand and asked for time! The 2B was alert and tagged him right away. The umpire granted Alou time, and no one argued.

Technically, Alou is out, but is this something you just ignore unless you want to be considered an OOO?

[waltjp]

If it happened like you said I'd have an out. I didn't see the play though so this is just speculation but it is possible that Alou verbally requested time or the ump had already decided to call time on his own.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by tarheelcoach

Saw a play in last night's Mets/Brewers game that I've never seen before. What would you experienced guys do in this situation?

Alou steals second for the Mets and slides in safely headfirst. He has his left hand on the base. He raises his LEFT hand and asked for time! The 2B was alert and tagged him right away. The umpire granted Alou time, and no one argued.

Technically, Alou is out, but is this something you just ignore unless you want to be considered an OOO?

Got an Out.

[aceholleran]

HTBT.

Whenever a runner has reach base cleanly and the defender tries the old "keep the glove on him" ploy. I am reluctant to call an out.

We don't know when the verbal request for "time" came. Sometimes there are other runners on base, and ump must consider this before he kills the play.

Ace

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

HTBT.

Whenever a runner has reach base cleanly and the defender tries the old "keep the glove on him" ploy. I am reluctant to call an out.

Reluctance is one thing, not calling is absurd.

[ozzy6900]

I am not the 10th defensive or offensive player. I do not give time until all play has stopped and I have verified that it has. In this situation, I would have an out. Once the runner breaks contact with the base and is tagged, he's a goner.

Regards

[bluezebra]

This is PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL, not youth. There are MANY things that are 'understood', and allowed.

The pulled foot 'gimmee' at 1B. The 'phantom' double play at 2B. A manager coming out of the dugout WITHOUT requesting 'Time'. Time called BEFORE the BR starts to head to 1B on a walk.

The pros do things that are not accepted in youth ball.

Bob

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

This is PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL, not youth. There are MANY things that are 'understood', and allowed.

The pulled foot 'gimmee' at 1B. The 'phantom' double play at 2B. A manager coming out of the dugout WITHOUT requesting 'Time'. Time called BEFORE the BR starts to head to 1B on a walk.

The pros do things that are not accepted in youth ball.

Bob

That's weird, because when I work an OBR game, I accept all these things too. And as Garth will tell you, I ain't working no pro ball.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That's weird, because when I work an OBR game, I accept all these things too.

Granting time before a walked batter reaches first will get you in trouble around here, especially if there is an R3.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That's weird, because when I work an OBR game, I accept all these things too. And as Garth will tell you, I ain't working no pro ball.

Maybe the first two. Hopefully not the third. And most emphatically no effin way on the fourth.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Maybe the first two. Hopefully not the third. And most emphatically no effin way on the fourth.

3) A manager may step from the dugout before requesting Time, but he had better not wait too long before he asks, or I will be asking him what he thinks he's doing. You see it all the time, managers walking between the dugout and the line, turning to the PU and requesting Time. I see nothing wrong with this.

4) If all action is stopped, and no runners are stealing on ball 4, I will grant Time before BR reaches first, just like in the old big leagues. Naturally if something is happening, like there is a play on, I'm not killing the ball. Waiting for the BR to reach first before calling Time is a FED thing, not mentioned in OBR, or any interpretation I've ever seen. Please cite where it says otherwise.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

3) A manager may step from the dugout before requesting Time, but he had better not wait too long before he asks, or I will be asking him what he thinks he's doing. You see it all the time, managers walking between the dugout and the line, turning to the PU and requesting Time. I see nothing wrong with this.

4) If all action is stopped, and no runners are stealing on ball 4, I will grant Time before BR reaches first, just like in the old big leagues. Naturally if something is happening, like there is a play on, I'm not killing the ball. Waiting for the BR to reach first before calling Time is a FED thing, not mentioned in OBR, or any interpretation I've ever seen. Please cite where it says otherwise.

Don't have time to research all my books right now, but from my notes I know it is taught that way at Evans.

The ball reamins live on a BOB and to grant time before the B/R reaches first may penalize the offense by eliminating the opportunity to run a play or even a deke to get the pitcher or catcher to throw the ball away.

It takes what, two, maybe three seconds more to let the B/R get to first? Nothing the defense wants to do can't wait.

[SanDiegoSteve]

1) If the throw is right on the money, and doesn't cause F3 to pull his foot, and F3 takes his foot off a split-second early to keep from getting shredded by the runners spikes, I have an out.

If the throw is squirrelly, then I have a pulled foot. I know the difference when I see it, and rule accordingly.

2) The old "neighborhood play" at 2nd base on the DP I rule as follows:

If the pivot man makes the most of the play, and doesn't just stand off to the side 2 feet away from the base, but actually makes a semblance of coming across the base, then I rule in his favor. If he's just standing off to the side and does not put effort into the play, I do not reward him with an out. I will cheerfully signal safe.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Waiting for the BR to reach first before calling Time is a FED thing, not mentioned in OBR, or any interpretation I've ever seen. Please cite where it says otherwise.

Why would you think it was "a FED thing" to not call time while a legal runner is running the bases? I can see your stance if he stops in the box to remove batting gloves or whatnot ... but if you have a batter heading toward first after a BOB, you're doing him a disservice if you don't at least ensure he's not going to head past first before stopping play. It doesn't have to be written down that calling time while action is still possible is a bad thing.

Maybe for you it's a local OBR thing ... I assure you it's not in any area I've ever worked .. nor heard about until right now to be honest.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

1) If the throw is right on the money, and doesn't cause F3 to pull his foot, and F3 takes his foot off a split-second early to keep from getting shredded by the runners spikes, I have an out.

If the throw is squirrelly, then I have a pulled foot. I know the difference when I see it, and rule accordingly.

2) The old "neighborhood play" at 2nd base on the DP I rule as follows:

If the pivot man makes the most of the play, and doesn't just stand off to the side 2 feet away from the base, but actually makes a semblance of coming across the base, then I rule in his favor. If he's just standing off to the side and does not put effort into the play, I do not reward him with an out. I will cheerfully signal safe.

Of course. No one argued with this.