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mcrowder Wed Jul 11, 2007 04:42pm

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Originally Posted by Don Mueller
If all my customers were liars, cheaters, whiners and child abusers I would find another job and another industry.

Coaches are not my customers. And therein lies the difference between my perception on this issue, and yours. If you walk onto the field expecting the coaches to be your customers, and treating them accordingly, you are doing the game a huge disservice.

Don Mueller Wed Jul 11, 2007 05:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
I do not consider coaches customers. If you are an assignor they might be.

If there were no teams, no coaches, no players how many assignors would be calling you?
I don't want to argue over who the customer is in the umpire world, that wasn't my point, but I think you are naive if you think the assignor is your ultimate customer.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
But to an independent contractor that can pick and choose where I go and whom I work for, I do not see that same connection.

Everyone is an independent contractor and can pick and choose where they go.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
When the money is not the only motivation for umpiring as it would be with "customers" in a business,

I feel sad for anyone whose only motivation is money, no matter what the business.
But you see my point even if you don't recognize it.
If all or most of the people within the enviorment in which you practiced your trade were liars, cheaters, whiners and child abusers why would any one want to voluntarily stay in that enviorment? Unless of course you were a social worker.




Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
I disagree with your analogy you are trying to make with umpiring and a job or business.

I don't think you were the one saying all coaches were liars, cheaters, whiners and child abusers. So unless the shoe fits perhaps my point isn't directed or meant for you and therefore does not resonate with you.

ozzy6900 Wed Jul 11, 2007 06:45pm

I really love when a Rat gets "whacked" on this forum. He starts to quiver and squirm on the floor, then all the other Rats come out to try to help him and they too wind up a quivering mass of jelly in the corner! :D

Tim C Wed Jul 11, 2007 06:49pm

~Phock!~
 
"I feel sad for anyone whose only motivation is money, no matter what the business."

I have found a place for you. Move to "the State of Portland" . . . outside of SF the most liberal place in America. If not Communist at least Socialist . . .

Your philosophy as listed above will fit perfectly.

I work ONLY for money . . . be it my job or umpiring ("the money" is followed closely by "the power").

It is odd for me to see someone tell me "my motivation" for working . . .

Again Don, we see umpiring (and now the world) differently.

Is there no question left why we are on opposite ends of every issue?

Regards,

BTW, I would STILL have a cold adult beverage with you.

Tim C Wed Jul 11, 2007 06:52pm

WOW Ozzy
 
I want more of "Canuk" and "SpokaneLuker" two of the farthest "out theres" we have had.

Truly pieces of work.

Regards,

UmpJM Wed Jul 11, 2007 06:58pm

Don,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C
BTW, I would STILL have a cold adult beverage with you.

Should the opportunity present itself, I would strongly encourage you to take advantage. It will be time "well spent".

Tim,

Given your recent fondness for terrapins, I couldn't help but wonder if you were able to get one of those nifty "Zombie" facepaint jobs.

John

BigUmp56 Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:01pm

John,

I'm hoping we can lure Tee to "The Bend" to take in a few pre-game cold ones with us this Fall. The tickets are on me.


Tim.

spokanelurker Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:03pm

OK. Here I am--what do you want? And what exactly made me one of the "farthest out theres" you've had on the board? Although my subsequent posts portray me, quite accurately, as a smart ***, my original one was relatively innocuous, and while it has been much ridiculed, it still hasn't been answered.

UmpJM Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:08pm

And the gods smile on Tee and Ozzy....

JM

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:18pm

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Originally Posted by spokanelurker
OK. Here I am--what do you want? And what exactly made me one of the "farthest out theres" you've had on the board? Although my subsequent posts portray me, quite accurately, as a smart ***, my original one was relatively innocuous, and while it has been much ridiculed, it still hasn't been answered.

Your original post was answered, by me, in post # 23 of this thread. It needs no further answer, as mine was quite succinct. Go back to page 2 and look it up.

ozzy6900 Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:19pm

Hmmm, it seems that this Rat is not smart enough to hide in the shadows with his friends. I think he needs another "whack" from the big stick!

Here's a tip, Rat! Don't go behind the refrigerator because Tee put an extra special Rat Trap back there. You know, the kind that will just about take your head off in one strike! Or worse, you could get your leg caught and we can all sit and watch you chew your leg off while we throw things at you!

UmpJM Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56
John,

I'm hoping we can lure Tee to "The Bend" to take in a few pre-game cold ones with us this Fall. The tickets are on me.


Tim.

Tim,

Works for me. Except for the "on you" part; I believe it's my turn.

John

spokanelurker Wed Jul 11, 2007 07:43pm

Hiding in the shadows, Ozzie? That's you, buddy! Go back and read my first post, and your latest one, and if the definition of the term "irony" eludes you, look it up. You're the man!

canadaump6 Wed Jul 11, 2007 08:00pm

I wish that there was more decency from a few people on this board. Tim stands out in my mind the most, but also Ozzy and a number of others bring really poor attitudes to these boards.

BigUmp56 Wed Jul 11, 2007 08:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachJM
Tim,

Works for me. Except for the "on you" part; I believe it's my turn.

John

Ha-ha-ha

If you can find them, John, I'll humor you and let you flip for them this time. If not they're on me once again. Love the clock by the way!


Tim.


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