Saw this today...

[mbyron]

I don't understand. Where was the sub for Charles batting? I suppose the coach wanted to DH for the sub and move Zak to the 3-spot. No can do, coach.

Ordinarily, at the time BOO was discovered I should think that Zak is an improper batter, and that the sub for Charles should come up with Zak's 1-1 count. Zak would be the next batter, and the DH role is eliminated for the remainder of the game.

Sneaky rat, but I don't see any outs here.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I don't understand. Where was the sub for Charles batting? I suppose the coach wanted to DH for the sub and move Zak to the 3-spot. No can do, coach.

Ordinarily, at the time BOO was discovered I should think that Zak is an improper batter, and that the sub for Charles should come up with Zak's 1-1 count. Zak would be the next batter, and the DH role is eliminated for the remainder of the game.

Sneaky rat, but I don't see any outs here.

There's no BOO, it's an illegal sub. 2-36-3d.

Zak (the illegal sub) is out and restricted to the dugout. 3-1-1

David bats next (unless Zak's out was the third out) and a new player enters the lineup in the thrid spot (formerly occupied by Charles).

[mbyron]

OK, thanks for the correction, Bob.

What do we do about the guy who replaced Charles and who has not batted yet? And do we still have a DH?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by mbyron

OK, thanks for the correction, Bob.

What do we do about the guy who replaced Charles and who has not batted yet? And do we still have a DH?

Aye, there's the rub. The team had 10 players including the pitcher who was being Dh'ed for. There was no other player available and the coach thought he could enter the pitcher in Charles' spot in the batting order. The DH then took Charles' defensive position. Quite the screw up.

The umpires finally sorted it out, but only during Zak's second at bat.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Aye, there's the rub. The team had 10 players including the pitcher who was being Dh'ed for. There was no other player available and the coach thought he could enter the pitcher in Charles' spot in the batting order. The DH then took Charles' defensive position. Quite the screw up.

The umpires finally sorted it out, but only during Zak's second at bat.

There are a couple of options here, depending on the circumstances. If Charles is still at the game, he can reenter, since he's a starter. If he's no longer at the game, or is injured (or similar), then the team can play with 8 and tak an out each time this spot comes up in the order.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There are a couple of options here, depending on the circumstances. If Charles is still at the game, he can reenter, since he's a starter. If he's no longer at the game, or is injured (or similar), then the team can play with 8 and tak an out each time this spot comes up in the order.

Charles was gone. They went with 8.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There are a couple of options here, depending on the circumstances. If Charles is still at the game, he can reenter, since he's a starter. If he's no longer at the game, or is injured (or similar), then the team can play with 8 and tak an out each time this spot comes up in the order.

I thought they had a new rule about 8 or 90 years ago that said ejected players couldn't reenter. Maybe it's just me...

[TussAgee11]

I also had BOO of order yesterday, and it was the offensive team that pointed it out! 2-0 Count, and the coach from the dugout with the book starts screaming TIME! He calls me over and says they batted out of order. I looked at the book, and brought the correct batter to the plate. I'm thinking, wow, smart coach because he knows it can't be an OUT until after the AB.

Then he says "so that's an out right?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

I thought they had a new rule about 8 or 90 years ago that said ejected players couldn't reenter. Maybe it's just me...

Yes, sorry. By the time I responded to the follow-up, I forgot Charles had been ejected.

Originally Posted by TwoBits

I had a similar situation last week. NBC rules, DH came in to play catcher, and a new pitcher came in to bat for himself in the previous catcher's batting position.

OBR 6.10(b) states:
...The designated hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.

That would be correct under OBR (and NCAA).