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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 10:49am
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I have always wondered which provides the best protection. My son who works in the South Atlantic League took a 96MPH foul ball straight back to his West Vest Mask yesterday and suffered a concussion from it. The ball severely bent the bars on his mask.

He has had many discussions with fellow Minor League Umpires and the ones that wear HSM have told him many times that the HSM affords greater protection. He has been reluctant to switch but after yesterday has decided to give the HSM a try.

Not sure which one is better...I guess we will see!

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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 10:58am
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I suspect that maybe your mask was too tight. They are designed to spread out the energy of an impact - if you got a headache from it, too much of the energy transferred to your head, likely indicating the entire thing was too attached to your head.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:00am
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Rich,

When you work summer ball, will you work mostly two man or one man games?
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:03am
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I suspect that maybe your mask was too tight. They are designed to spread out the energy of an impact - if you got a headache from it, too much of the energy transferred to your head, likely indicating the entire thing was too attached to your head.
To whom is this addressed? The poster reporting the headache was wearing an HSM not a mask.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 11:56am
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Garth:

I find it interesting that the CDC will release a study this month that calls concussions an "epidemic" at the high school level and lower.

This is why we saw this year in the NFHS Rule Book a POE about head injury trauma and the care.

As the NFL slowly admits to the long term effect of brain injuries to their retired players I believe we are on the edge of a new view of head injuries.

We are currently working on articles for the new NFHS magazine that deals with player head injuries . . . I think baseball umpires would be a great source to review for head injuries to sport officials.

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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 12:02pm
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I'm not a physiologist, but do you think the headache that Rich felt was due to the way the shock of the blow was distributed by the HSM? With the traditional mask, the impact of the blow causes the mask to spin and fly off the face, and there is little force actually felt. The mask may sustain damage but not the wearer.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 12:29pm
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I'm not a physiologist, but do you think the headache that Rich felt was due to the way the shock of the blow was distributed by the HSM? With the traditional mask, the impact of the blow causes the mask to spin and fly off the face, and there is little force actually felt. The mask may sustain damage but not the wearer.
I'm sure a "physicist" or an engineer might be able to offer some insight as to how the impact is distributed...
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 12:44pm
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I'm not a physiologist, but do you think the headache that Rich felt was due to the way the shock of the blow was distributed by the HSM? With the traditional mask, the impact of the blow causes the mask to spin and fly off the face, and there is little force actually felt. The mask may sustain damage but not the wearer.
Perhaps it could be from something as simple as the noise of the impact as evidenced by the ringing in his ears.
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Old Thu Jun 07, 2007, 02:26pm
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Now that our FED season is over and we are starting in on our variations of OBR games, does anyone share my reoccuring nightmare?

"TIME.....thats a balk".....CRACK (DING)......Home run"...

(I don't use that mechanic, though, do you?)
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 02:01pm
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While a mask will spin off on some hits, it won't on all of them. If you take a ball straight on, HSM or traditional mask, you are going to feel it. I think that is what Rich was saying, that it was a straight on shot.

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I'm not a physiologist, but do you think the headache that Rich felt was due to the way the shock of the blow was distributed by the HSM? With the traditional mask, the impact of the blow causes the mask to spin and fly off the face, and there is little force actually felt. The mask may sustain damage but not the wearer.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 02:09pm
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While a mask will spin off on some hits, it won't on all of them. If you take a ball straight on, HSM or traditional mask, you are going to feel it. I think that is what Rich was saying, that it was a straight on shot.
My mask spins off on hard straight-on shots. Worn properly, e.g. loose enough, even straight on shots will cause it to come off.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 12:40pm
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I think baseball umpires would be a great source to review for head injuries to sport officials.
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I think most of us had to have head injuries to take up umpiring.
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 01:38pm
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I think most of us had to have head injuries to take up umpiring.
enough said about that one...
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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 02:44pm
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We are currently working on articles for the new NFHS magazine that deals with player head injuries . . . I think baseball umpires would be a great source to review for head injuries to sport officials.

Regards,

Tim Christensen
Tee since you are working on the article I would be interested in the following as well.

1. The evolution of the "slot" stance. If you look back at old films the umpires were stationed right behind F2 not to the "left of" or "right of" F2

In other words is there more risk of injury by an umpire who uses the "slot" compared to years ago when the umpire was right in back of F2? In the slot we have more risk of taking a straight on shot then if we were behind F2.
Also in calling balls and strikes is it really that drastic of a difference from the "old" school (stationed behind F2) to the new school.

2. The balloon vs. inside chest protector. Today we tend to make fun of any PU using the ballon but my question does the balloon offer more protection than the inside protector?

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Old Wed Jun 06, 2007, 12:59pm
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To whom is this addressed? The poster reporting the headache was wearing an HSM not a mask.
I understood that. What does the M stand for again?

Should I use the word Helmet instead? If you have too tight a helmet, you're going to feel ALL of the energy of an impact. It shouldn't be loose, but it shouldn't be tight either.
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