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btdt Sun May 27, 2007 06:49pm

run down & following runner
 
yesterday
runners on 2nd & 3rd
catcher throws down to 3rd with runner too far off base
run down between home and third begins
runner from second advances and is standing on third when runner in the run down is headed back to third. The third baseman, with the ball first tags following runner who is on third, and then tags runner before he reaches the base.
2 outs?
Why?
Why Not?
Any rule reference????????
Tell you after I see the responses what I called.

cbfoulds Sun May 27, 2007 07:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by btdt
yesterday
runners on 2nd & 3rd
catcher throws down to 3rd with runner too far off base
run down between home and third begins
runner from second advances and is standing on third when runner in the run down is headed back to third. The third baseman, with the ball first tags following runner who is on third, and then tags runner before he reaches the base.
2 outs?
Why?
Why Not?
Any rule reference????????
Tell you after I see the responses what I called.

1 out. Why? 'Cause only one runner was tagged off base.
If you called 2 out because R3 was still "entitled" to 3d, you screwed the pooch.
The rule about 2 runners occupying the same base only comes into play when they BOTH ACTUALLY ARE ON the same base, and then there is only ONE out: namely the following runner.

UmpJM Sun May 27, 2007 07:31pm

btdt,

I can't add anything to what cbfoulds said, except that he's right.

R2 safe, R3 out.

JM

SAump Sun May 27, 2007 07:33pm

1 out. Why? 'Cause maybe you're thinking R2 is forced off 3B and back to 2B and so he isn't entitled to occupy 3B when tagged, but he is and only one runner was tagged off base.

Rcichon Sun May 27, 2007 10:11pm

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Originally Posted by btdt
....clipped....
runners on 2nd & 3rd
catcher throws down to 3rd with runner too far off base
run down between home and third begins
runner from second advances and is standing on third when runner in the run down is headed back to third. The third baseman, with the ball first tags following runner who is on third, and then tags runner before he reaches the base.

2 outs?

No
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Originally Posted by btdt
Why?

R2 is safe at 3 now and is the ONLY runner on that base.
Quote:

Originally Posted by btdt
Why Not?

R3 is not on 3rd anymore.
Quote:

Originally Posted by btdt
Any rule reference????????

7.08[c] (in the abstract).
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Originally Posted by btdt
Tell you after I see the responses what I called.

Why? Getting flamed is a learning experience!:D

kylejt Sun May 27, 2007 10:49pm

Why the mystery? It's an easy call.

What are the odds of this guy calling something different, and never coming back?

cbfoulds Mon May 28, 2007 06:43am

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Originally Posted by kylejt
Why the mystery? It's an easy call.

What are the odds of this guy calling something different, and never coming back?

At this point, I'd guess - very good.

greymule Mon May 28, 2007 10:45am

btdt, are you confusing the play in which the runner in a rundown between 3B and home commits interference, and the following runner who has advanced to 3B must return to 2B?

LMan Mon May 28, 2007 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by cbfoulds
At this point, I'd guess - very good.


Or, he'll say he called whatever the majority opinion here was :rolleyes:

umpduck11 Mon May 28, 2007 05:40pm

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Originally Posted by LMan
Or, he'll say he called whatever the majority opinion here was :rolleyes:

He should have written down what he called, sealed it in an email, and opened it for us later..... :p

cbfoulds Mon May 28, 2007 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by LMan
Or, he'll say he called whatever the majority opinion here was :rolleyes:

I'm REALLY hoping there is no "minority view" on this one: which is what makes me think the the OP'er got it wrong. Why post something this obvious, unless you think you were very clever in "finding" an obscure rule application with an unusual outcome?
We'll see, I guess, he's not been back to drop the other shoe yet.......

Welpe Mon May 28, 2007 05:44pm

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Originally Posted by cbfoulds
I'm REALLY hoping there is no "minority view" on this one: which is what makes me think the the OP'er got it wrong. Why post something this obvious, unless you think you were very clever in "finding" an obscure rule application with an unusual outcome?
We'll see, I guess, he's not been back to drop the other shoe yet.......

I bet we'll see the phrase "Travesty of the game" before this thread is through...

LMan Mon May 28, 2007 05:49pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe
I bet we'll see the phrase "Travesty of the game" before this thread is through...


is that the corollary to the rule on 'how many posts in a thread before the word 'Hitler' is used?' :D

SanDiegoSteve Tue May 29, 2007 12:49am

Hitler just called from his bunker and said it was a total travesty of the game, and he's kicking Eva Braun out of the bunker.


I had post #14 in the pool...:p

Welpe Tue May 29, 2007 02:09am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Hitler just called from his bunker and said it was a total travesty of the game, and he's kicking Eva Braun out of the bunker.


I had post #14 in the pool...:p

Hey isn't that a violation of the 18th Amendment?


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