Joe West Does IT AGAIN

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

The lazy umpire last time was Gerry Davis. Poor Yankees. Boo hoo. Their pitching sucks out loud.

So a missed call is acceptable if it goes against a team you don't like?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by waltjp

So a missed call is acceptable if it goes against a team you don't like?

Of course. It's a long honored baseball tradition.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Of course. It's a long honored baseball tradition.

For fans, yes.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by waltjp

So a missed call is acceptable if it goes against a team you don't like?

Where in my post did I say a missed call is acceptable? PFISTO got all over an umpire for missing a call, and unfairly blamed that umpire for a bad call in another game that he didn't make. So what, Joe West kicked a call. PFISTO, and any other Yank fan couldn't carry Joe West's jock strap to the locker room. Yankee fans are always crying about the umpires this, the umpires that. Bunch of spoiled fans, by George. The reason they have been losing is not the umpires' fault, it's their pitching, which really SUCKS!

I agree, however, that Joe West is not exactly the poster boy for hustle.

[scarolinablue]

Maybe GD and JW have decided that suspect mechanics and blown calls will keep their names in the headlines and help them sell their equipment...

There's nothing like free publicity!

[TussAgee11]

I'm a Yankees fan and this stuff is rediculous. Sure the runner was out, but it was a banger. Joe was probably blocked by F4 recieving the thrown in front of the bag. It was a bad throw by Posada, so maybe they didn't even deserve an out.

Joe West didn't give up hits to the next two batters, why isn't anyone blaming the pitcher?

Then later in the game, Posada was called safe at first on a double play ball. He was out by a quarter of a step. But you don't here Yankees fans crying about that.

Then Jeter gets strikes 2 and 3 called on him to end the game. After strike two he told Wilcox "that was off the plate" as he returned to his side of the plate. Next pitch, same spot (maybe a cm more outside) and Wilcox rang him up. Overhead look showed the pitch probably just clipping the black on the outside corner.

You're down 5 runs, 1-2 pitch, close, and you're not swinging! Whose fault is that!

Yankee fans and players in general (not myself) need to get a grip and realize that the team is just not that good. Stop making excuses, and maybe then they'll get better.

[Kaliix]

I'm a Yankee fan and I've read the thread and I don't see anyone making excuses for the Yankees losing. I'm just a little exasperated that Major League Umpires could so piss poor in the execution of the standard and accepted mechanics for getting into position to make a call. Both West and Davis didn't hustle, they walked, strolled even. Both West and Davis were still moving when the play happened instead of coming set. Both West and Davis made no effort to adjust their angle to a situation that clearly called for it.

West and Davis are two of the best umpires in MLB, which is why it is even more befuddling that they would be the two to miss a call, in Davis' case a gross miss, that was caused directly by an apathetic lazy approach to a standard situation.

Now I'm not putting the Yankee loss on West. That was a close play. However, that would have been the third out of the inning. Three more runs scored after that. With the right call, that game is a lot closer and a lot more fun to watch, late. Missed calls happen and one of them doesn't cost any team the game. I just hate it that the call was missed because West didn't hustle. There is no excuse for that...

[TussAgee11]

He's being lazy again tonight - hasn't missed one but he is just strolling to position and continues to stroll to make his call.

[LakeErieUmp]

Well that's it then. Joe West, Gerry Davis - no more umpires selling protective gear!

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

He's being lazy again tonight - hasn't missed one but he is just strolling to position and continues to stroll to make his call.

I bet he nailed that balk by Farnsworth though....

Then again, if he had thrown the ball it might have hit Joe in the head.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

I'm a Yankees fan and this stuff is rediculous.

As opposed to ridiculous???

After strike two he told Wilcox "that was off the plate" as he returned to his side of the plate. Next pitch, same spot (maybe a cm more outside) and Wilcox rang him up.

And who is this "Wilcox" of whom you speak?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UMP25

And who is this "Wilcox" of whom you speak?

I'll bet dollars to Hostess Ding-Dongs he means "Hickox."

[UMP25]

I know. I just like busting the chops of someone who complains but can't even get his facts correct.

[UMP25]

Indeed.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Remember the qualifier:

"I'm a Yankees fan..."

They're(we, myself) are no different than any of the other fanboys pulling for their particular team in their particular sport. Some idiots automatically go into their conspiracy theories every time a close call goes against them. And if an official blows a call, then he is now the devil incarnate. And even if they can't remember what they had for breakfast, they'll remember that call until their dying day. They take it personally; they think that it was made with the sole purpose of pissing them off. Other fanboys(hopefully I'm in this group) see a blown call and they'll say "Damn, he missed that one." Well, maybe we might add a coupla of motherf***s if it happens at a critical time() , but we don't call for a jihad against that particular umpire, referee, etc. We take it for what it is - a human being making a human mistake. We might discuss it, but we ain't gathering the pitchforks and firewood and heading for the castle. Mutter a l'il and let 'er go.

Iow, there's fanboys and there's fanboys. There is no Universal Fanboy.

Of course, the preceding doesn't apply to BoSox fans. They're all azzholes.