winning pitcher

[sixlehs]

so if the reliver had only allowed the on base runner to score and went out of the top of the 7th with the score 4 to 2and the starters team did as they did and scored two runs and tied the game at 4 to 4 end of 7th. so now we go into the 8th and the reliver gives up a run so its now 5 to 4 and the starters team bats in the bottom of the 8th and does not score so the game ends 5 to 4. By your staement the starter still gets this loss?

[shickenbottom]

sixlehs - Your asking a scorebook question on an umpire forum - what do we care who is the winning pitcher or the loosing pitcher.

Now to be very simplistic. The loss goes to the pitcher who let the go ahead runner get on base. If the starter let him on base and he scores, and the game is never tied up in subsequent innings, he gets the loss. If a reliever comes in and then the score gets tied, the pitcher of record becomes the reliever and the game becomes his to win or loose.

[LMan]

I think you are talking to the starting pitcher here

[sixlehs]

So as I said previously if the reliever had only allowed the on base runner (charged to the starter) to score in the 7th score 4 to 2 and the the starters team comes back in the bottom of the 7th and ties it at 4 to 4. Then the reliver gives up a run in the top of the 8th now losing 5 to 4 and the starters team does not score in the bottom of eighth and game ends 5 to 4. Based on what you just said now the reliver gets the loss.

So waht you say is the rule is if the releiver gives up a 5th run in the 7th inning the starter is the loser but if the reliever gives up the same 5th run in the 8th he is the loser. If that is the official rule they someones was drunk when they wrote that one.

[sixlehs]

So as I said previously if the reliever had only allowed the on base runner (charged to the starter) to score in the 7th score 4 to 2 and the the starters team comes back in the bottom of the 7th and ties it at 4 to 4. Then the reliver gives up a run in the top of the 8th now losing 5 to 4 and the starters team does not score in the bottom of eighth and game ends 5 to 4. Based on what you just said now the reliver gets the loss.

So waht you say is the rule is if the releiver gives up a 5th run in the 7th inning the starter is the loser but if the reliever gives up the same 5th run in the 8th he is the loser. If that is the official rule then someones was drunk when they wrote that one.

[TwoBits]

Simply put: The pitcher that gives up the lead, even if it's tied, gets either the win or loss. End of story.

Wanna complecate things more? Home team up 9-0, top of the 7th. Starter has pitched a beautiful 6 innings. Reliever comes in, gives up 9 runs to make it 9-9. Bottom of the 7th, leadoff batter hits a walk off homer. Guess who gets the win? THE RELIEVER!!!

[sixlehs]

That makes sense in th 9-9 scenario, the releiver was the pitcher when the winning run was scored so he should get the win . In the case I origanlly described the pitcher of record when the opponents 5th run scored (charged to the releiver) in a 5 to 4 loss was the releiver so likewise the releiver should get the loss.

Gets the win if the winning run occurs while he's the pitcher and gets the loss if the winning earned run is scored against him while he is pitching.

What is missing?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by sixlehs

What is missing?

Your understanding of the rules, apparently. No system is "fair" to all pitchers under all circumstances. So, the stat-heads picked one and went with it. Don't like it? I'm sure the rules committees would like to hear from you.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by sixlehs

. In the case I origanlly described the pitcher of record when the opponents 5th run scored (charged to the releiver) in a 5 to 4 loss was the releiver so likewise the releiver should get the loss.

Look at it this way. The starting pitcher gave up the lead and his team never tied it up or took the lead. Since it was the starting pitcher's fault he gave up the lead, its his loss.

That said, we didn't write the rules and we don't even enforce this one!

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by LMan

I think you are talking to the starting pitcher here

Or his Dad.

-LilLeaguer

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by LMan

I think you are talking to the starting pitcher here

Or his father.

[canadaump6]

I'd suggest giving Bud Selig a call and getting him to change this rule as well.

Your thread gave me a great laugh. I'd suggest you give it a break though, because it's not worth the trouble to try and change a baseball statistics tradition that has been in existence for over 150 years. However if you have any other questions on scoring, or statistics you think are misleading, feel free to post them here.

[sixlehs]

So as I said previously if the reliever had only allowed the on base runner (charged to the starter) to score in the 7th score 4 to 2 and the the starters team comes back in the bottom of the 7th and ties it at 4 to 4. Then the reliver gives up a run in the top of the 8th now losing 5 to 4 and the starters team does not score in the bottom of eighth and game ends 5 to 4. Based on what you just said now the reliver gets the loss.

So waht you say is the rule is if the releiver gives up a 5th run in the 7th inning the starter is the loser but if the reliever gives up the same 5th run in the 8th he is the loser. If that is the official rule they someones was drunk when they wrote that one.