HS Coach Strikes Umpire

[Lawrence.Dorsey]

See the two links below for the actual footage and background..


http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.d...090&source=rss

(Look at the Slideshow)

http://www.wlos.com/players/news/sports/video.shtml

(See Enka players react to Coach's Resignation)


Lawrence

[LMan]

Interesting. Guess that's another benefit of the HSM we haven't discussed.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Clearly the coach was out of line and that's why he got tossed. Then he was out of line again when he put his hands on the umps back and turned him around and jumped in his face. His hit/push in the face came after the ump thought about offering him a head-butt but stopped before he really got em good. What an ugly situation.

I wonder of those guys up there have had other trouble from this coach or is this just him jumping off the mountain. He does seem humble about it now but the damage is done.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

His hit/push in the face came after the ump thought about offering him a head-butt but stopped before he really got em good. What an ugly situation.

I think the ump more than thought about the head-butt. After the coach got in the umpire's grill, the umpire gave a relatively good retaliation with his mask.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

I think the ump more than thought about the head-butt. After the coach got in the umpire's grill, the umpire gave a relatively good retaliation with his mask.

I don't think so. After viewing that particular sequence several times, I believe the umpire made move towards the coach with his full body, with the movement of head being a reation to, and part of, his body movement. When you view it, watch the umpire's shoulders and torso. His movement towards the coach while probably saying something to the effect of "Don't you EVER touch me again, Gilligan" is understandable.

It looks more agressive due to the presence of his helmet. Had he removed it as he should, the move would not have looked the same.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Had he removed it as he should, the move would not have looked the same.

..and he would have been slapped in the face

[Durham]

Originally Posted by LMan

..and he would have been slapped in the face

L,

What would you do if someone hit you in the face with a HSM? The coach was wrong for putting his hands on the umpire in the first place, but as a man, if this Hall guy hit me in the face with his HSM, well ... let's just say that it is a felony to assault officials and if I was able o keep myself restrained, I think I would be calling Lawump to see what type of charges swung the other way when and umpire struck me as a coach.

He only got slapped as a reaction to being hit in the face.

[mike1989]

i would remove my mask before ejecting anyone..thats how it is taught..what a joke..i think this happened a little to fast to think about taking of a mask.
Yea, the coach did nothing Garth,,,so you would let someone touch you...you such a good umpire, we all wish to be like you.
yea , a bobble head...you look so good in your gear..we look at amazement on hoe ripped you are and how perfect you look..In fact, i bet 3/4 of you think that when the game is going on, all the fans are looking at you..lol.
No one but no one, puts there hands on me....specially in a half *** high school game...
critize, joke and examine it to death because most of you would have handled it diffrently..lol thats why your in the bigs making 100,000 of dollars..lol.
who cares what shirt color he has, what helmet he's wearing and what calls he made,,,he's working hard and some coach pushes him or turns him around.
great respect, sportsmanship and way to teach our up and coming citizens how to handle a problem....this is high school baseball...not getto ball in east l.a....you never ever touch another human being unless ya wanna fight!!!

[LMan]

Mike1989, here, this might help you. You'll thank me later.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by mike1989

i would remove my mask before ejecting anyone..thats how it is taught..what a joke..i think this happened a little to fast to think about taking of a mask.
Yea, the coach did nothing Garth,,,so you would let someone touch you...you such a good umpire, we all wish to be like you.
yea , a bobble head...you look so good in your gear..we look at amazement on hoe ripped you are and how perfect you look..In fact, i bet 3/4 of you think that when the game is going on, all the fans are looking at you..lol.
No one but no one, puts there hands on me....specially in a half *** high school game...
critize, joke and examine it to death because most of you would have handled it diffrently..lol thats why your in the bigs making 100,000 of dollars..lol.
who cares what shirt color he has, what helmet he's wearing and what calls he made,,,he's working hard and some coach pushes him or turns him around.
great respect, sportsmanship and way to teach our up and coming citizens how to handle a problem....this is high school baseball...not getto ball in east l.a....you never ever touch another human being unless ya wanna fight!!!

What the he!! are you talking about? Where did I say I'd let someone touch me? Where have I done anything but take the side of the umpire?

Before you address one my posts, try reading it first. Or perhaps even better, have someone literate read it to you.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Mike1989, is that the year you were born?

Anyway, I just saw this on the news here. They only showed the part where the umpire was getting in the coach's face, and then the head slap from the coach. They left out the original ejection, which would have been nice to see. At first I thought that the umpire had been at fault by getting in the coach's face, but now after viewing the whole thing, I can no longer take that position. Once the coach was ejected, the only thing he should have done was exit the field. Coming back and touching the umpire was not a good move on his part.

Coaches have no business laying their hands on an umpire for any reason, especially grabbing from behind. The coach is lucky he didn't get his butt kicked.

I have not to my recollection ever ejected anyone while wearing a mask or helmet. It is just more manly to not hide behind a mask when dealing with managers. The mask isn't there to make an umpire tough, it's there to protect his face from pitched baseballs only.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I have not to my recollection ever ejected anyone while wearing a mask or helmet. It is just more manly to not hide behind a mask when dealing with managers. The mask isn't there to make an umpire tough, it's there to protect his face from pitched baseballs only.

I see your point, Steve, but I see a lot of the opposite also.

I was under the impression that HSM wearers touted the fact that since the HSM had such better vision and so on, that they were freed of the requirement to take it off as often as mask-wearers do. I know a HSMer certainly would have it off for the plate meeting, but I see HSMers keep it on while making lineup changes, casual chatting with a coach b/w innings, etc, and I see them certainly keep it whilst in a rotation, etc. Traditional mask-ers obviously remove the mask for those events.

So, is it 'policy' for HSMers to only remove it when an ejection is imminent? Would this umpire have kept it on for a 'calm' discussion with the coach?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by LMan

I see your point, Steve, but I see a lot of the opposite also.

I was under the impression that HSM wearers touted the fact that since the HSM had such better vision and so on, that they were freed of the requirement to take it off as often as mask-wearers do. I know a HSMer certainly would have it off for the plate meeting, but I see HSMers keep it on while making lineup changes, casual chatting with a coach b/w innings, etc, and I see them certainly keep it whilst in a rotation, etc. Traditional mask-ers obviously remove the mask for those events.

So, is it 'policy' for HSMers to only remove it when an ejection is imminent? Would this umpire have kept it on for a 'calm' discussion with the coach?

I wore the helmet for three seasons, and making lineup changes was the only time I kept it on other than for pitches, and even then I would usually remove it. I was not above dropping it onto the grass to free up my hands, if necessary.

During play I pulled the helmet just like a mask as soon as the ball was hit (forward), and removed it during conversations, etc. I never looked at the helmet as being freed from any requirement to remove it, just for better protection.

If and when I return to umpiring, it will be with a conventional mask and 6 stitch hat.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mike1989

i would remove my mask before ejecting anyone..thats how it is taught..what a joke..i think this happened a little to fast to think about taking of a mask.
Yea, the coach did nothing Garth,,,so you would let someone touch you...you such a good umpire, we all wish to be like you.
yea , a bobble head...you look so good in your gear..we look at amazement on hoe ripped you are and how perfect you look..In fact, i bet 3/4 of you think that when the game is going on, all the fans are looking at you..lol.
No one but no one, puts there hands on me....specially in a half *** high school game...
critize, joke and examine it to death because most of you would have handled it diffrently..lol thats why your in the bigs making 100,000 of dollars..lol.
who cares what shirt color he has, what helmet he's wearing and what calls he made,,,he's working hard and some coach pushes him or turns him around.
great respect, sportsmanship and way to teach our up and coming citizens how to handle a problem....this is high school baseball...not getto ball in east l.a....you never ever touch another human being unless ya wanna fight!!!

[DonInKansas]

If you're going to nitpick, how about the fact that the umpire removed his HSM with his RIGHT hand after getting bashed.....