Run Scores after HBP Strike

[bwbuddy]

Fed, R3. Batter swings at pitch which hits him in the head, causing ball to bounce away. R3 runs home. Umpire agrees that batter was hit by pitch, pitch is called a swinging strike, but run was allowed to count.

Was the umpire correct? If not, would this have been protestable?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by bwbuddy

Fed, R3. Batter swings at pitch which hits him in the head, causing ball to bounce away. R3 runs home. Umpire agrees that batter was hit by pitch, pitch is called a swinging strike, but run was allowed to count.

Was the umpire correct? If not, would this have been protestable?

A swing on a HBP is always an immediate dead ball strike. The umpire kicked this one. Definitely a protestable call.


Tim.

[FTVMartin]

The Ball is always dead when it hits the batter. The run does not count. 3 factors go into deciding wether to award the batter first base.

1. Did he attempt to hit ball.
2. Did he attempt to get out of the way.
3. Was the pitch in the in the strike zone.

[tjones1]

On a swinging strike, there's nothing to decide...it's a dead ball and a strike against the batter.

[David B]

Originally Posted by bwbuddy

Fed, R3. Batter swings at pitch which hits him in the head, causing ball to bounce away. R3 runs home. Umpire agrees that batter was hit by pitch, pitch is called a swinging strike, but run was allowed to count.

Was the umpire correct? If not, would this have been protestable?

The umpire needs to increase his vocabulary to include:

DEAD BALL!

That will of course then fix the other problems.

Thanks
DAvid

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by David B

The umpire needs to increase his vocabulary to include:

DEAD BALL!

That will of course then fix the other problems.

Thanks
DAvid

"TIME!"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by David B

The umpire needs to increase his vocabulary to include:

DEAD BALL!

That will of course then fix the other problems.

Thanks
DAvid

Just as long as he says "Time" and never, never "DEAD BALL."

[RPatrino]

They come out of the box with no heart beat and they stay that way forever!!! Dead, always dead....(except in Colorado, where they are quite alive)...

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Just as long as he says "Time" and never, never "DEAD BALL."

My area is goofy. When i try and yell "Time" to stop playing action when stuff happens, nobody seems to hear it. When i yell "Dead Ball," everyone stops...

I guess your voice can project "Dead Ball" a little louder than "Time".... i dunno why people respond the way they do though. ha!

[David B]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Just as long as he says "Time" and never, never "DEAD BALL."

I know its often taught to say Time only, but my experience has taught me to signal time with the hands - and voice if needed (I always say it, probably without thinking)

and then to verbalize DEAD BALL!

Its always effective in stopping everything!

I've seen too many umpires call time and then everything just keeps on going!

Just my own experience! (And I should add in training this follows FED rule 5 for dead ball)

Thanks
David

[lawump]

I was watching a major league game on TV this w/e (and the station apparently had some great on-the-field microphones) because I actually heard an umpire say "Time out". I've never heard "Time out" before, LOL. Oh, well live and learn.

[greymule]

I prefer that umpires not simply make up their own terminology, like two recent partners, one of whom screamed, "I got an out!" for every out call and the other accompanied his "out" signal with "Force at third!" or "Tag at second!"

But "time" versus "time out"; "foul" versus "foul ball." Who cares?

I don't like "Time in," though.

[johnnyg08]

Can somebody please reference this rule for me? I'm trying to send an answer to this exact question for a "coach" to politely asked me about this situation that happened in his JV game...and while I know the answer, I don't have my RB with me to cite a rule for him...I saw a reference to Fed rule 5...but that wasn't a citation...so can somebody please post the correct FED reference here so I can cite the rule when I'm sending the response to the coach.

[LMan]

FED 5-1-1a, plus 'note'

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bwbuddy

Was the umpire correct?

Yes the umpire was wrong.

Originally Posted by bwbuddy

If not, would this have been protestable?

There are no protests where I live. The play would have stood if no one could convince the umpires to change.

Peace