Hung out to dry 2

[drh898]

Had a situation the other day. I'm in C postion, men on 1st and 3rd. Short pop-up to left field, down the third base side. Believing the PU has the call I start I start looking for tag ups and watching runners in case ball drops safely. PU tells me between innings I blew it and it should have been my call. I still don't think it was, but what is your opinion? Should I forget runners and go out? BTW, shortstop makes diving catch just inside foul line.

[UmpJM]

drh898,

In the sitch you describe, the catch/no catch (not to mention fair/foul) call responsibility is emphatically the PU's.

Where did this guy get his mechanics training, from a box of Cracker Jack?

JM

[JRutledge]

Did you discuss this before the game? If this was discussed before the game, at least you know where your partner stood on this coverage. Now by all mechanics I have seen this is clearly the PU's call all the way. But when you discuss this in the pre-game before the game, then he cannot come back to you later and say you blew anything.

Peace

[LMan]

You have the "U" (or V, or whatevvah), PU has players moving toward foul line to make the catch. This is his catch all the way.

You don't 'go out'. Both you and him need to study your mechanics a little more.

[GarthB]

Just curious. What level of ball was this?

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Did you discuss this before the game? If this was discussed before the game, at least you know where your partner stood on this coverage. Now by all mechanics I have seen this is clearly the PU's call all the way. But when you discuss this in the pre-game before the game, then he cannot come back to you later and say you blew anything.

Peace

JR, with all due respect, what's to discuss? I'm not going to go over the entire 2-man mechanics manual with my partner when working a 2-man game. Because I work upper level games where my partners are expected to know what to do, I'm not going to have a mechanics clinic before the game. If they don't know and it's a game I assign, they're done with me. If it's one of my other college assignors, I'm sending said assignors a note telling them what happened.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by UMP25

JR, with all due respect, what's to discuss? I'm not going to go over the entire 2-man mechanics manual with my partner when working a 2-man game. Because I work upper level games where my partners are expected to know what to do, I'm not going to have a mechanics clinic before the game. If they don't know and it's a game I assign, they're done with me. If it's one of my other college assignors, I'm sending said assignors a note telling them what happened.

Why do you have to go over the entire manual? But you better go over some basics if you want to be on the same page. Not all umpires are on the same level of knowledge or are used to working with you or me who might do it right.

I also work some college ball and every umpire I work with at that level we go over things. It is not about knowing everything. It is about getting on the same page and not be surprised. Not everyone at the upper level has been there a long time or is taught the same things. I do not like to assume anything.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why do you have to go over the entire manual? But you better go over some basics if you want to be on the same page. Not all umpires are on the same level of knowledge or are used to working with you or me who might do it right.

I also work some college ball and every umpire I work with at that level we go over things. It is not about knowing everything. It is about getting on the same page and not be surprised. Not everyone at the upper level has been there a long time or is taught the same things. I do not like to assume anything.

Peace

I don't cover things like this in a pregame. If a plate umpire doesn't know he has the left field line ALL THE TIME in a 2-umpire system, we have bigger problems than an inadequate pregame.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by drh898

Had a situation the other day. I'm in C postion, men on 1st and 3rd. Short pop-up to left field, down the third base side. Believing the PU has the call I start I start looking for tag ups and watching runners in case ball drops safely. PU tells me between innings I blew it and it should have been my call. I still don't think it was, but what is your opinion? Should I forget runners and go out? BTW, shortstop makes diving catch just inside foul line.

Go out? In 2-man, you NEVER go out when you start inside the diamond.

Why are you even talking to the PU between innings? Get to right field where you belong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Why are you even talking to the PU between innings? Get to right field where you belong.

Rich, I might talk to my partner during the game at some point. Granted it will not be every single inning and it might only be once, but it is not out of the question. You might talk to go over something you did not have the chance to during the pre-game.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Rich, I might talk to my partner during the game at some point. Granted it will not be every single inning and it might only be once, but it is not out of the question. You might talk to go over something you did not have the chance to during the pre-game.

Peace

Yes, but I won't talk to him after an inning where something like this happens. Any time there's a controversial play, ejection, etc., I'm in right field for the next inning break or two guaranteed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Yes, but I won't talk to him after an inning where something like this happens. Any time there's a controversial play, ejection, etc., I'm in right field for the next inning break or two guaranteed.

That I agree with if the next half inning was when the conversation took place. But that was not totally clear to me when I read the post. I even discuss that in the pre-game meeting.

Peace

[drh898]

Pony. I'll check out the mechanics manual again. In first year it is difficult to take it all in and internalize it. Thanks for your comments and constructive criticisim.

[drh898]

His comment to me was that he had to stay home because of the man on 3rd and since I was in the C position I was closer to the catch than he was. Thanks for your reply because I thought I was right. BTW the offensive coach thought he saw the ball on the ground and questioned the PU about it. That's why the PU came to me bacause he thought I left him out to dry.

[drh898]

Thanks, Rich. He called me over to him between innings. Another question. Between innings should the BU stand in right field and not on the foul line by 1st base and up the line to avoid being hit by an errant throw? I had never been told this until Saturday. BTW, if you can't tell this is my first year and I'm having a blast. If I'm in RF where do I stand and what am I looking for?