What have you got?

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

What has happened to require R3 to be called out? Nothing, yet.

R3 cannot retreat back to 2nd in this sitch. He's out for abandonment.

Rule 7.01 Comment: If a runner legally acquires title to a base, and the pitcher assumes his pitching position, the runner may not return to a previously occupied base.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

R3 cannot retreat back to 2nd in this sitch. He's out for abandonment.

Rule 7.01 Comment: If a runner legally acquires title to a base, and the pitcher assumes his pitching position, the runner may not return to a previously occupied base.

The pitcher has not assumed his pitching position ... play is still ongoing.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

The pitcher has not assumed his pitching position ... play is still ongoing.

Since R3 is R3 and not R2, the pitcher has assumed a position with the runner in question on third base.

[3appleshigh]

Ok here it goes, Cece says the same as the first poster R2 is out for over running the precedding runner, Why you say??

He answers this with a question, same play, R3 trips on third to the outfield side, However the throw is an overthrow, and R3 proceeds to head Home, DOES HE NEED TO RETOUCH THIRD?? -- Yes he does, Therefore he must have retreated, and now R2 is infront of him. This is a fun debate, and after listening, I think I agree with Cece. Also Cece says he and Roder have argued on this rule before.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

Since R3 is R3 and not R2, the pitcher has assumed a position with the runner in question on third base.

But that's not what the rule says. It doesn't say "and the pitcher has assumed his position." It says "and the pitcher assumes his position." The pitcher must be in position for this rule to apply.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

But that's not what the rule says. It doesn't say "and the pitcher has assumed his position." It says "and the pitcher assumes his position." The pitcher must be in position for this rule to apply.

OOOOFFFF! This thread is making my head hurt!

[3appleshigh]

What no rebuttal to Cece's take on the play??

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

What no rebuttal to Cece's take on the play??

I'm all for Cece on this one, though I did say I would conform to Roder. but like any good democrat I retain the right to flip flop at any moment, so I'm officially back to Cece.

As far as rebuttal, we were kinda doing that even before Roder and Ceces opinions came out. They've just confirmed what a lot of us determined 2 or 3 pages ago, that this is not a black and white issue.