Automatic Strike/Penalty Strike NFHS

[Old Time Ump]

Further to the above: If the penalty strike is the second strike on the batter and the legal pitch, the third strike, gets away from the catcher and rolls to the backstop can the batter proceed to first? And if he makes it and, say, another run scores, doesn't the offending team(player) wind up with an advantage under application of 'B'?

[Justme]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

Further to the above: If the penalty strike is the second strike on the batter and the legal pitch, the third strike, gets away from the catcher and rolls to the backstop can the batter proceed to first? And if he makes it and, say, another run scores, doesn't the offending team(player) wind up with an advantage under application of 'B'?

3-3-1o penalty: The umpire shall eject the offender from the ball game.

Where is the advantage to the offending player?

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by Justme

3-3-1o penalty: The umpire shall eject the offender from the ball game.

Where is the advantage to the offending player?

Remember that the penalty in 3-3-1o only applies if the umpire adjudges the batter was attempting to cause a balk.

[Justme]

Originally Posted by Blue37

Remember that the penalty in 3-3-1o only applies if the umpire adjudges the batter was attempting to cause a balk.

That's right, good luck with that call.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Good luck with that extra strike call, too!

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by Justme

That's right, good luck with that call.

I have a question I'd rather not ask on the board, but your private messages are not enabled.

[Justme]

Originally Posted by Blue37

I have a question I'd rather not ask on the board, but your private messages are not enabled.

I turned on my email & PM option

[Old Time Ump]

Mr. Blue37, You asked about the mechanics re: the play described earlier. I have no idea what might be suitable under the Rules evolvement that have occurred at the various levels in the past two decades. I can tell you what would have been suggested to you at the George Barr School in the 1950's.
First, if the batter stepped out and the pitcher held up his delivery, the PU would have recognized a duo rules violation, called 'Time and then told them to commence Play. (Might have even told them to 'Stop that Shxx")

In the case at point, the PU has three facts as soon as the Ball leaves the pitchers hand: 1) it is a Legal pitch; 2) he was not asked nor did he give TIME; and 3) the Batter has committed a Rules violation. At that point he can call TIME (on the basis of a number of interpretations); call the pitch a Strike, and proceed on. If the pitch is botched , no matter. It was a dead ball from the moment it left the pitcher's hand as that is when the violation occurred.

So the mechanics were a laconic TIME and STRIKE and a few words to the errant batter. This practice eliminated all possibility of gain by the batter's actions and was deemed in the interest of 'fair competition' which was a requirement placed on officials at that time. Of course, there were then fewer rules and fewer case studies and much more opportunity to invoke 9.01c.

But no more. I yield to current wisdom.

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

Further to the above: If the penalty strike is the second strike on the batter and the legal pitch, the third strike, gets away from the catcher and rolls to the backstop can the batter proceed to first? And if he makes it and, say, another run scores, doesn't the offending team(player) wind up with an advantage under application of 'B'?

Great question!

Remember we are talking NFHS in this thread.

Yes, the run scores and the batter is at 1st. But the offending team has not benefited from the application of "B", they have benefited from the wild pitch/passed ball.

Your question has made me wonder about the mechanics in this situation. If the batter already has one strike, and he steps out with both feet and the pitch is a wild pitch/passed ball, what are the proper mechanics? It seems the umpire needs to loudly announce both strikes so the players can react properly. If there is no one on base, the batter and the catcher are probably both standing there and the on-deck batter is retrieving the wild pitch. If there is a runner on base, the catcher is going after the ball, but the batter is most likely just standing there. Without an immediate loud announcement, similar to the checked swing on strike three, someone is at a disadvantage

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Blue37

Great question!

Remember we are talking NFHS in this thread.

Yes, the run scores and the batter is at 1st. But the offending team has not benefited from the application of "B", they have benefited from the wild pitch/passed ball.

Your question has made me wonder about the mechanics in this situation. If the batter already has one strike, and he steps out with both feet and the pitch is a wild pitch/passed ball, what are the proper mechanics? It seems the umpire needs to loudly announce both strikes so the players can react properly. If there is no one on base, the batter and the catcher are probably both standing there and the on-deck batter is retrieving the wild pitch. If there is a runner on base, the catcher is going after the ball, but the batter is most likely just standing there. Without an immediate loud announcement, similar to the checked swing on strike three, someone is at a disadvantage

I agree, the umpire would need to be loud and emphatic here. But this is veering close to a TWP....

OTU: what's the issue with "B?" Sure the batter can advance....but it would be a savvy batter who interpreted that situation correctly. They would probably be too busy whining about the third-strike call to run down the line.

a PB under any circumstances is an adv to the offense, a detriment to the defense...catcher shoulda dun bettah! That has nothing to do with the penalty strike, they are separate events.