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Rich Ives Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:29pm

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Originally Posted by DG
You can read the rules for free at:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...s/foreword.jsp

Some good mechanics powerpoints here:

http://www.ihsa.org/education/index.htm

They don't have the latest changes on line yet.

GarthB Fri Feb 23, 2007 02:13am

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Originally Posted by boyinblue24
Ah! I see. Very well then. As you wish.


(Sigh)

1. I've raised two teenagers. I don't need to raise another or deal with attitude.

2. Why do you choose to act like a punk when people try to help you? No wonder most who have stopped trying to help have not "come back."

Maybe three or four times since 1996, when I first became involved in sports part of the internet, have I been goaded into laying out my resume. I won't do that here. What I do dare to brag about is this: I am a damn good teacher. I am a damn good trainer of young and otherwise inexperienced umpires. Young men whom I have mentored are now working varsity and College level baseball. Two have gone to proschool, one to Harry's and one to Jim's. Both were honor graduates.

I have a good eye for the potential and attitude it takes to be a good umpire. Despite verbally slapping some rookies upside the head, I have the patience to come back to offer to help and see if they demonstrate any ability to learn.

I do not, however, waste my time on punks with attitude.

Have a great life.

socalblue1 Fri Feb 23, 2007 02:41am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives
They don't have the latest changes on line yet.

Rich,

All the 2006 rule changes are there, just missing the case book info found in the printed books.

Updates for 2007:

1. All 23 changes now apply to MLB (Only MiLB in '06)

2. In MLB, areas that mention league president mean Comm. of Baseball

3. Any reference to "he, him or his"" is deemed a reference to "she, her or hers" when person is female.

4. Automatic fines/suspensions do not apply to MLB (Up to the Comm).

5. Rule 6.09(b) casebook comment that adds "Lingers at home plate"

6. Rule 1.15(a) case book comment that white piping is allowed on pitchers glove as long as it's not distracting in umpires judgement

I would post the entire MLB memo (Dated Jan 2, 2007) but it's 16 pages or so in total. I can e-mail to those in need - just PM me.

mcrowder Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garth
BI do not, however, waste my time on punks with attitude.

You just did. :)

Dave Hensley Fri Feb 23, 2007 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
(Sigh)

1. I've raised two teenagers. I don't need to raise another or deal with attitude.

2. Why do you choose to act like a punk when people try to help you? No wonder most who have stopped trying to help have not "come back."

Maybe three or four times since 1996, when I first became involved in sports part of the internet, have I been goaded into laying out my resume. I won't do that here. What I do dare to brag about is this: I am a damn good teacher. I am a damn good trainer of young and otherwise inexperienced umpires. Young men whom I have mentored are now working varsity and College level baseball. Two have gone to proschool, one to Harry's and one to Jim's. Both were honor graduates.

I have a good eye for the potential and attitude it takes to be a good umpire. Despite verbally slapping some rookies upside the head, I have the patience to come back to offer to help and see if they demonstrate any ability to learn.

I do not, however, waste my time on punks with attitude.

Have a great life.

Is it possible you're misinterpreting the kid's response? It sure didn't strike me as dripping with attitude or disrespect.

If there's more going on than I'm aware of, please disregard, but on the posts I read, I couldn't really logically follow the trajectory of the conversation.

Rich Ives Fri Feb 23, 2007 05:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalblue1
Rich,

All the 2006 rule changes are there, just missing the case book info found in the printed books.

Updates for 2007:

1. All 23 changes now apply to MLB (Only MiLB in '06)

2. In MLB, areas that mention league president mean Comm. of Baseball

3. Any reference to "he, him or his"" is deemed a reference to "she, her or hers" when person is female.

4. Automatic fines/suspensions do not apply to MLB (Up to the Comm).

5. Rule 6.09(b) casebook comment that adds "Lingers at home plate"

6. Rule 1.15(a) case book comment that white piping is allowed on pitchers glove as long as it's not distracting in umpires judgement

I would post the entire MLB memo (Dated Jan 2, 2007) but it's 16 pages or so in total. I can e-mail to those in need - just PM me.


Like I said, the latest changes aren't on line yet.

More 2007 changes:

7.08 (a)(1) now has "his baseline" instead of "direct line between bases" and defines "his baseline"

6.05(k) now allows a runner to exit the three foot lane in the immediate vicinity of first bas in order to touch the base. 7.09 (k) which was redundant has been eliminated.

The press release on the latest changes are on line.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releas...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

canadaump6 Fri Feb 23, 2007 06:49pm

GarthB:

I have never had any problems with boyinblue. I don't understand this "attitude" of his that you speak of. Looks to me like he's picking up some tips from the veterans, and you're not making that a very pleasant task. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with giving a hot-headed newbie a kick in the butt now and then, but boyinblue is not the hothead that you are making him out to be. I probably am, but he isn't.

GarthB Fri Feb 23, 2007 09:40pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
GarthB:

I have never had any problems with boyinblue. I don't understand this "attitude" of his that you speak of. Looks to me like he's picking up some tips from the veterans, and you're not making that a very pleasant task. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with giving a hot-headed newbie a kick in the butt now and then, but boyinblue is not the hothead that you are making him out to be. I probably am, but he isn't.


"Ah! I see. Very well then. As you wish."

Rich Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
"Ah! I see. Very well then. As you wish."

My first thought was this was a quote from The Princess Bride.

GarthB Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:52pm

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Originally Posted by PWL
I perceive a battle of wits between Benham and Fronheiser with both firing blanks.....:rolleyes:

Paulie,

As with most of your perceptions, rules interpretations and thoughts of mechanics, you're wrong again.

Rich made an excellent, if, for you at least, obscure, observation.

Rich Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:04pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Paulie,

As with most of your perceptions, rules interpretations and thoughts of mechanics, you're wrong again.

Rich made an excellent, if, for you at least, obscure, observation.

Of course, I could start in on the whole iocane powder thing -- if it's as deadly as they say, how could the hero build up immunity of it?

PWL: Even if Garth and I bicker occasionally, and it is only occasionally, it's still worth more to me than anything you post.

GarthB Sat Feb 24, 2007 02:31am

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Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
Of course, I could start in on the whole iocane powder thing -- if it's as deadly as they say, how could the hero build up immunity of it?

I went to a CTE advisory board meeting last week. When we signed in we were given one of those large "Hello, My name is..." stickers to fill out and wear.

On mine I wrote : “Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.”

UmpJM Sat Feb 24, 2007 02:27pm

“You be careful. People in masks cannot be trusted.” - ibid

JM

GarthB Sat Feb 24, 2007 03:49pm

“You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!” Op cit.

NFump Sat Feb 24, 2007 07:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWL
You should have wrote: I. M. Abore.

FIZZLE! DOUBLE FIZZLE!! TRIPLE FIZZLE!!! AND THE INFAMOUS QUADRUPLE FIZZLE!!!!:o


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