Traditional Mask vs HSH Mask Redux

[nickrego]

If you choose to switch to an HSM, be prepared to take a lot of flack from "Old Fart, Stick In The Mud" types.

But remember, the inability of the Dinosaur to Improve and Adapt, lead to it's demise !

Go for it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by nickrego

If you choose to switch to an HSM, be prepared to take a lot of flack from "Old Fart, Stick In The Mud" types.

But remember, the inability of the Dinosaur to Improve and Adapt, lead to it's demise !

Go for it.

Just so you know I know several very good umpires that decided to make the change and I do not know of anyone giving them crap over it. From my point of view, this seems more like an internet discussion rather than a real world discussion. This is a personal choice all the way. If it works for you I know I do not personally care and I have never heard anyone outside of this board make a big deal about this topic either way. There are Major League Umpires that use helmets and I do not see why anyone cares if it helps you call the game or be safe. I have chosen not to make that move for completely personal reasons. I would not like a helmet from everything I know at this time.

Peace

[RPatrino]

To my knowledge, I don't recall ever having a concussion. To my knowlege I have never had a concussion. What were we talking about? I have never had a concussion or any brain damage from getting hit with a football.

Seriously, where whatever you want. You get hit in the head, it will hurt. I know that much. The worse hit I ever took was in football, and nothing so far in baseball has come close. Besides, the steel plate in my head picks up radio really well.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by nickrego

But remember, the inability of the Dinosaur to Improve and Adapt, lead to it's demise !

Once again, a tremendous exaggeration, and a totally bad analogy. Those umpires who wear masks will continue to do so, and manufacturers have no plans on discontinuing their production of masks.

Besides, it wasn't just the dinosaurs that died out in this extinction. Whatever caused the death of the dinosaurs also caused the death of around 70% of all of the species on the Earth.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by nickrego

If you choose to switch to an HSM, be prepared to take a lot of flack from "Old Fart, Stick In The Mud" types.

But remember, the inability of the Dinosaur to Improve and Adapt, lead to it's demise !

Go for it.

I may be wrong, Nick, but I don't recall anyone giving you a hard time about your choice to wear a HSM. It seems to me the animosity started when you tried to push the HSM on all of us that wear a traditional style mask. I think a HSM is hot, heavy, and not really necessary for me. I tried it and didn't like it.



Tim.

[nickrego]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I may be wrong, Nick, but I don't recall anyone giving you a hard time about your choice to wear a HSM. It seems to me the animosity started when you tried to push the HSM on all of us that wear a traditional style mask. I think a HSM is hot, heavy, and not really necessary for me. I tried it and didn't like it.



Tim.

Hey Tim, that's perfectly fine. You tried it, and prefer not to wear one. I will listen to, and respect, anyone's opinion of HSM's who has actually tried one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by nickrego

Hey Tim, that's perfectly fine. You tried it, and prefer not to wear one. I will listen to, and respect, anyone's opinion of HSM's who has actually tried one.

You will never learn I see.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by nickrego

Hey Tim, that's perfectly fine. You tried it, and prefer not to wear one. I will listen to, and respect, anyone's opinion of HSM's who has actually tried one.

Well, I tried one for two years. I gave it two full seasons of a tryout. When I return to umpiring, I'm going back to a mask and 6-stitch hat. Typical reasons, the heat, the noise, the ringing of the ears. You really do feel like you have gotten your bell rung much more than with a mask.

Now, Nick...I think you need to respect everyone's opinion on the subject of HSM's, not just the people who have tried them. You don't need to eat horse poop to know that it doesn't taste good, and some folks know without a doubt that they would not like the helmet either. You can't expect people to switch over, or even try the HSM. Their opinion is just as valid as those who have tried them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Now, Nick...I think you need to respect everyone's opinion on the subject of HSM's, not just the people who have tried them. You don't need to eat horse poop to know that it doesn't taste good, and some folks know without a doubt that they would not like the helmet either. You can't expect people to switch over, or even try the HSM. Their opinion is just as valid as those who have tried them.

He does not have to respect everyone's opinion on this or any subject. I just do not understand why he spends so much time beating everyone over the head with something he likes. I do not like Blondes and I really do not care what others think about my preference. Who cares what you use as a personal item?

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Nobody has to respect anything, of course Rut. It is just impolite to only respect a certain group's opinion over another group's.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Nobody has to respect anything, of course Rut. It is just impolite to only respect a certain group's opinion over another group's.

You completely missed the point. Whether he respects other's opinions is not the issue. Even if he respects everyone's opinion, it is frankly not going to change anything. It is not an issue of respect of one’s opinion. Get over it already, no one is going to change something like that based only on a thread or two about non-related issues.

Peace

[nickrego]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, I tried one for two years. I gave it two full seasons of a tryout. When I return to umpiring, I'm going back to a mask and 6-stitch hat. Typical reasons, the heat, the noise, the ringing of the ears. You really do feel like you have gotten your bell rung much more than with a mask.

Now, Nick...I think you need to respect everyone's opinion on the subject of HSM's, not just the people who have tried them. You don't need to eat horse poop to know that it doesn't taste good, and some folks know without a doubt that they would not like the helmet either. You can't expect people to switch over, or even try the HSM. Their opinion is just as valid as those who have tried them.

Steve,

When someone who admits they have not tried an HSM, starts saying they don't like specific aspects of it, like; "It's too hot", or "It rings too loud when hit", is not speaking their opinion. They are merely repeating what someone else has said.

Now, if they say they don't like the way it looks, OK, that is 'their' opinion.

How many times did your parents make you taste something before they would listen to you whine about not liking it ?

And for the record, I bet there are people out there who think Horse Poop tastes good (considering all the sicko's out there). Being someone who has actually tasted Horse Poop (bucked off into a pile of it as a kid), my expert opinion is that it tastes pretty bad !

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by nickrego

Steve,

When someone who admits they have not tried an HSM, starts saying they don't like specific aspects of it, like; "It's too hot", or "It rings too loud when hit", is not speaking their opinion. They are merely repeating what someone else has said.

Now, if they say they don't like the way it looks, OK, that is 'their' opinion.

How many times did your parents make you taste something before they would listen to you whine about not liking it ?

And for the record, I bet there are people out there who think Horse Poop tastes good (considering all the sicko's out there). Being someone who has actually tasted Horse Poop (bucked off into a pile of it as a kid), my expert opinion is that it tastes pretty bad !

I don't know of anyone out there that has not tried an HSM, who goes around saying things like "it's too hot," or "It rings too loud." I only hear these people say that they don't want to wear them. The people who have worn them are the ones who comment about the heat and that deafening ringing.

Last summer, I suffered heat stroke during a game, in which the temperature was upward of 106 degrees with extremely high humidity. It was the hottest day on record for that date, and it was a miserable day. I feel that the intense heat inside my helmet contributed significantly to the problem which I suffered.

I feel that if I had been using a traditional mask, that I could have continued, as my face and head would have been much cooler. As it was, the director and some concerned tournament personnel insisted on pulling me off the field in the last of the 5th inning, in fear for my health and safety.

That is the reason I am switching back to a regular mask and hat the next time I work a ballgame.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

This has got to be your best one yet. Now you're blaming heat stroke on a hockey style mask. Do you realize how many people suffer heat stroke every year and do not wear a hockey style mask?

Please describe your symptoms so everyone will know when we are suffering from a heat stroke. Also, please tell what you did after you suffered your heat stroke.

If you would have had a heat stroke, I'm quite certain we would have heard about long before now.

Nothing that you wrote makes any sense whatsoever.

I'm sorry, I meant to say "heat exhaustion," which is exactly what it was, not "stroke." Had I continued, it might have become heat stroke.

Because I didn't announce it to the world last year when it happened, that's why you didn't hear about it. I assure you that it did happen. You can ask Tim Haag is you need verification, as I did inform him after it happened. I didn't say that the helmet caused the heat exhaustion, just that it contributed to it. It was also the last game I worked last season, so you had better believe it affected me.

Why is it that you can't just accept what people say, without having to refute it, or ask for hard evidence? Once again, poking your pinhead where it doesn't belong.

[tiger49]

Maybe he got hit in this mask???

http://photos.signonsandiego.com/gal...1C_pobj_MINI_1

I have seen several catchers hit with the HSM and have seen everything from nothing to the mask shattering (Rawlings Coolflo).